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| Yes, but you had darkness magic, demon resistance and he was a demon faction 7 without potions..and no TG. The elf was easy for the DE. My point is Darkness magic is OPed. |
I agree with the falcon dark demon is op faction no mean 1vs1 or 2vs2.
Just guess 2 dark demons in 1 team :/ |
| totally agree with the idea of dark demon, but i bet nobody here really knows where is the imba point of dark demon. |
i bet nobody here really knows where is the imba point of dark demon
I know but I wouldn't tell anyone :PPP |
i bet nobody here really knows where is the imba point of dark demon.
It is useless to know why DD is imba, because DD is so imba that people will not able to beat DD anyway. :p |
Mana drain, darkness magic, unlimited mana at rates faster than wizards and those temptresses. Add to that darkness magic reduces my troops initiative to 1. Then mass confusion, curse and so on means that my troopscan't fight. Then a few more rounds of massdisruption permanently reducing defence while troops are immobile. Over five by five squares.
How they are imbalanced ? Every how, it seems. |
really don't know why you people dont appreaciate the weaknesses of DD (at lv10)
In duels, they stand no chance against tribals, defensive factions and DE..
even elves with resistance talent and anti-magic arts are difficult
also suck against magic factions as lot of parameters are wasted on Debuffing which doesnt work against magicians
DD have really low damage..
in my previous battle..125 fiends vs 45 boar riders
fiends deal 150 damage to boar riders. 12 perish
boar riders deal x damage. 59 perish -.-
just a mass weakness on DD troops and their damage is reduced to less than shit
and another mass curse will limit it
DD maybe the best at higher levels where they have access to all dominions,
but at lower levels.. they have some weaknesses as they cannot have more than 2 dominions
(i suffer without mass disrupt but mass weakness and mass delay are equally neceessary for me) |
for Anony-mouse:
lv10 is one of the best level for dd, another is lv15(with du).
you need dom. of pain to win every faction(yes, every). |
I dunno at higher lvls, but at lvl 11-13 they r close to unbeatable.
Only factions I can think "maybe" they can win are wizards and necros, and that's because they don't have good creatures for temptresses to seduce.
The combo of seduction + dark magic + good play (not really outstanding, the player just need to have the basic on when to wait, when to attack, etc) it's unbeatable by the majority of factions at that lvls.
Heck, take a look at 8th paired tourney lvl 12 results. IN ALL TEAMS IN THE TOP IT WAS A DD. If u go deeper and check the combat logs of ppl, the battles they manage to loose are VS another DDs as well. And I bet is goin' to happen the same in this tourney. Facts are there.
The faction is cool but needs a major rework. In the past might wizards were unbeatable with luck mini arts, so they removed then. Barbs also killed magic builds with a breeze with his faction skill, so they reworked it as well. It may be time of admins to accept his mistake (not its a major one, the game is excellent and not easy to balance at all) and make some adjustements.
Hell, I still don't have a clue why Mass Dark Magic is 5x5 when Mass Holy one is 4x4 (when Dark spells are better... :/) anyone can enlighten me? |
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I totally agree with all points |
Hell, I still don't have a clue why Mass Dark Magic is 5x5 when Mass Holy one is 4x4
That my friend was Bang On!
5x5 Spell means if I wanna evade a Mass Delay in the initial 2 turns, I need to rush with my troops either horizontally or diagonally. Go horizontal, and the DD will pounce and hit with all troops. Go diagonal (or vertical if space available) and his partner will do the same. :P
And Seduction... It is ridiculous. :P Temptresses can't be killed in the first turn ofc if I'm playing anything except Ranged Elf. And if I play ranged elf, 2nd turn I'm gonna face confusion. T.T
But still I DD has it's own perk in PvP. It is but obvious it is bad at any PvE type of battle. So I don't think it is OP. It is simply meant for PvP. To compare it with Elves and DE would be wrong, since both are better at PvE.
Once the alts for all factions enter into picture, I'm sure DD won't look this OP. :) For a fact, Mass Cursed DD troops are absolutely weak. |
Once the alts for all factions enter into picture, I'm sure DD won't look this OP. :) For a fact, Mass Cursed DD troops are absolutely weak.
i agree, i already fear wat the might elf will be... i imagine they will have sharpshooter :S and forest brethren :S |
for AKA:
Do you think normal red demon is weak in pvp??? red demons doom in pve while dark demons doom in pvp
for death2all:
Alt elf will be CHAOS build elf , Not the might one , In this way neither sharpshotoers nor forest brethern are overpowered |
| i think your forgetting... there will be 2 alts for each faction :P |
| I doubt both alts will have same creatures... |
Alt elf will be CHAOS build elf , Not the might one , In this way neither sharpshotoers nor forest brethern are overpowered
There are no restrictions to using a Chaos Build oriented faction to complete Might.
Do you think normal red demon is weak in pvp??? red demons doom in pve while dark demons doom in pvp
Yeah compared to Dark Demon, Normal Demon isn't as effective in PvP. |
Do you think normal red demon is weak in pvp
I meant pve , sorry for typo -.- |
There are no restrictions to using a Chaos Build oriented faction to complete Might. [/quote
As we know De have magic racial , but still alot of might de are here . some people including you have said that might de sucks in pvp
Same will be with the elf... and there is no point turning into a might when chaos talents cost you 7 points(maybe 6). |
Alt elf will be CHAOS build elf , Not the might one , In this way neither sharpshotoers nor forest brethern are overpowered
There are no restrictions to using a Chaos Build oriented faction to complete Might.
I am sure admins will limit their recruit count, just like what they've done for unholy necro's skeletons and dark demon's dogs. |
But still I DD has it's own perk in PvP. It is but obvious it is bad at any PvE type of battle. So I don't think it is OP. It is simply meant for PvP. To compare it with Elves and DE would be wrong, since both are better at PvE.
I understand what u r saying and is kinda inevitable that some factions are going to shine in some aspects of the game more than others. But I refuse to accept it as an excuse for the current unstable situation in PvP.
IMHO, this game is all about PvP afterall. And since tourneys are being made every now and then with a good prize money, and u have a guild which encourages PvP and offers good rewards, an effort should be made to balance the factions, PvP-wise.
I'm aware this is a very difficult task, and with a lot of factions and subclasses, some will have the upper hand above others, always. But normally there is no faction a lot more stronger than others and at the end each one favours a different style of play. Other games with different factions follow a semi paper-stone-scissors system, but in this one and in the current meta I have not find anyone finding a suitable tactic to beat Dark Magic, DD specifically, in a more or less reliable way... yet :P. |
