| Author | Comment on Elf Talent - Rain of Arrow |
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I also think poeple wine about everything about elves.
"awwhhh thier bowmens are too strong"
"it's hard those druids can attack too hard"
"the fk's are too strong"
In a battle Elven Archers are the first target
Druids can only lighting 2 and have very few arrows.Thier health is small compared to all the other level 5 creatures.
Fk's die to easy with thier low health.They don't even have any ability.
Now for rain of arrow.It can be good or bad to an elf.It may be no creatures that are hit with racial abblities or it could be 6 attracted.But I think you can only do it once in one battle.Thats so weak!
If someone thinks rain of arrow is to overpowered.You should take a look at magic arrow.
-lenardy |
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i like the idea, the dmg of rain of arrow increase per lv, initial with 80% and 20% per lv |
| Btw elfs have less cost on learning luck talents, only cost 7 points per level,.....so think a level 6 with advanced luck (+2) a luck amulet (+1) and shooting favoured enemies,.....really deadly. So it´s normal to attack always first elves, they´re strength on long range, players always try to reach elves lines ASAP and take it face to face, this is elves´ weakness.....if iu are able to reach elven lines taking as less damage as possible of course, a difficult task for slow units against elves units with high inititive, and even bonified by racial skill 3% |
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knight less cost on learning morale talent, only cost 7 points per level.
why elf lest cost in luck? coz basicly elf in luck
why knight lest cost in morale? coz basicly knight in morale |
| Sure,....but iu can increase iur morale easily with a couple of signet rings with no penalty. Use ring of doubts increase +1 luck at -2 morale penalty. So elves can have easily +3 luck and +2 morale with advanced luck and amulet, and two signet ring. I dunno what iu think, but I see luck more powerful hability that morale. Luck has inmediately efect (Great damage), morale advance iur unit on ATB table, but if iur unit low initiative or speed, this unit can be massacred while. |
well..this subject is getting more and more out of topic..
im an elf user...
im not going to say something on overpowered or not....
if its about the rain of arrow...in PvP and group battles...its really not prefarrable...like many elven players said..luck is much better in those battles...
there's no way im going to sacrifice my favoured enemy (double damage) + luck chance at a high HP,damage tankers, fast atacker (like griffins..its just an example at lvl 5)
its a common knowledge that elves are commonly useless in two - three turns...so..why not leave something before we die? DAMAGE..
imagine an elven bowmen gets luck/FE/luck+FE to an ogre or griffs..
teammates will be thanking you forever..
the fact is...
to me..and to most elves...Rain of Arrow is useless in PVP and Group Battles |
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Druids can only lighting 2 and have very few arrows.Thier health is small compared to all the other level 5 creatures. end of quote
What about the magi for wizards, their health is 18 druids have 34 almost twice as much health |
So much talk about elves beeing overpowered, the truth is;
We cant beat any other race in 1 vs 1 unless we are VERY lucky.
In group battles we are always first target and usually never lives through the whole fight, now, how can we be so overpowered when we dont beat anyone in 1 vs 1?
Also, rain of arrows;
We have to sacrifice it for luck, if we want to hit ranged attackers (set as favoured enemies) yes we hit a few, but on the other hand we never deal decent damage to the enemy melee units. No crits and no luck = owned. |
And for those who think elves are overpowered - here's a link to the results of 4th tournament on .ru - elves there are the same as here, and they're owned...
http://www.heroeswm.ru/tournaments_hist.php?tour=4
Granted, most people here don't speak russian, but numbers and faction symbols should speak for themselves. |
| that link just takes me to the russian login page |
Hmm, yes, it looks like you have to log in to view it... Sorry for posting the link before checking out if it was accessible from the outside...
But I suppose I could post the results here, at least the top 20 for the lvl people want to know about. Or perhapce create a topic for it? |
| Oops, sorry for posting with a mult. |
| i am a elf and when i went to go choose my talent i did not go for rain of arrows and im still not quite sure if it hits ur friends, ( as it does say that it hits ALL favoured enemy stacks on the battlefield ), so i chose luck because it helps ALOT in guild quests and hunting. |
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It does not hit the stacks of your allies, but luck is still way better then RoA, so you chose wisely :) |
I hear a lot of you guys saying
"ooh. elves get targeted first .. how is it imbalance ?"
really.. what has getting targeted first has ANYTHING at all to do with it being weaker. Remember... when you get shot from your enemy, it's always AT THE EXPENSE of another friendly unit. At the end of the day it boils down to hp AND Damage. Which druids have both.
So i guess, this is my 2 cents ... at the YET another Elves bashing thread.
And it has nothing to do with Game Designer miscalculating ( as mentioned in one of the earlier post of this thread ) . It's about a situation of game designer getting married to their ideas. Probably someone came out with this incredibly brilliant idea of ... "OMG!! ELVES.. THEY HAVE DRUIDS.. GONNA MAKE EM SO POWERFUL, everybody should be scared of them"... and when it's proven beyond reasonable doubt that they ARE Indeed imbalance, the game designers have 'FAILED' to take one step back, hire proper QA to do testing and look at it from a different perspective. It's rather unprofessional IMHO. It's not so much of 'not listening to players', as sometimes players idea are not the best... but it's more to 'not having proper QA' on the design.
That's why many good games with Great game ideas and game mechanics degenerate into yet another ghetto game. Especially with the recent diamond revolution, I'm worried we might have to look back one day and say, gosh we miss the days when Heroeswm was good. |
| to 75: Yes druids have 34 hp, yes druids can do damage !FOR 2 ROUNDS! then they are just rotten |
| Ussually the first 2 rounds matter the most:) The quicker you can deal the dmg the better:P |
| well, compare the druids with a griffin in that case? |
this topic is getting further and further away...
plss getback to ROA..
and plsss...
leave the elves bashing to their respective thread....
the argument of ROA is getting interesting...
i'll state it again as a fellow elven player...
ROA is a waste...its not strong..but with applied strategy from griffs and rouges..its a pretty good strategy skill..
plss note.
its a strategy skill..its not strong whatsoever |
i don't know what the programmers are doing but the elf were powerfull and with arrow of rain they become invincible
also wizard race is useless since with talents all the other races can use magic
so i think wizard race is dead |
