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| Author | For all you would-be thief ambush "victims"... |
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The thieving zone idea should be put under the Ideas forum. It is a nice idea. WoW does have safe areas and even servers without PvP.
Just curious, how often do players even get ambushed by thieves? I travel quite frequently and i rarely get ambushed. It's probably somewhere along the lines of 1% for me. | | Well I hope I meet you, if you want to upset me, I'll waste your time for it. | This is the worst thread here. If I were a mod I'd have locked this long ago.
But because it isn't locked yet, I will offer a solution to everyone's problem. Find someone with a Thief invite and lease it from them! They aren't expensive. If you think they are, then by all means pay the 80 Euros to get your own. Because we all know real money is less valuable than 2 rare intangible artifacts. [/sarcasm] | This is the worst thread here. If I were a mod I'd have locked this long ago.
Mods can't close threads because we don't like them. I can't say I like the topic either, but so far I see no real forum rule break here to close it myself. (but...maybe I missed something)
Having said that, remeber people NOT to start personal quarrels, arguments etc here (because looks like it's just an inch from getting there), Please talk via PM if you have to, but the forum isn't the place for it. | Pantheon- well, sure, we could. But why? Here we have a real option to make a real economic gaming solution. Create a clan whose sole purpose is to keep thieves off the high traffic areas. Then have the clan declare a 'lag-free zone', heck maybe give incentives for its members to visit the lag-free zone in full arts and give the thieves a fight. Eventually, even sociopathic thieves will migrate to the area where people want to fight.
Is having the admins come down and declare a thief-free zone, or a thief free tax (pay 1000 gold, no thieves for a week), or a teleporter, or any of the other suggestions made here actually better? We have a situation where thieves are doing things victims don't like, and victims are doing things that thieves don't like. This should not require the admins to resolve. It just requires enough people getting upset at the thieves to make the thieves come to the bargaining table.
That time will come, or it won't. If it doesn't, then I guess it wasn't a big enough problem to worry about to begin with. | LOL...i can't imagine if a certain people have a very bad luck in a few days...though it seems to be a bit impossible but will be interesting to see..
imagine if that person get ambushed in one day...then he surely takes his time until the very last minute of his each turn to satisfy his anger on being ambushed...then finally he go afk...bam, all the troops down and he got -2 luck. "i dont care, lol" he will say. 2 hours later, he comes online again, knowing that he's already fresh without -2 luck anymore. thinking of getting some resources, he travel to another area...
oh no...a damn freakin thief ambush him again...then he does the same thing again....and turn off the computer, get a nap. after 2 hours, he logs on again...this time he wants to go back to YL to get his next quest...umm, bad luck happens again...another thief ambush him again!!!
imagine if that would happen for a few days...whew...
i am sure it will be a very interesting thing to post in forum ^_^ | No reason to lock this thread, there is a very relevant debate going on, although urgone was wrong to swear.
I understand how annoying it is to be ambuhsed. The answer to your problem is not to spit your dummy out, but to try one of the methods suggested already i.e. politely ask for your gold to be returned, or arrange your army to consist of 1 low-level creature, thus your ambush will be over as quick as possible. Having 'thief zones' will not work, because people will still be disrupted no matter where ambushes are set.
Delaying the game out of spitefulness is not a solution. How you can choose to do this when you claim ambushes waste your time is self-contradicting and, to the observer, completely boggling.
So urgone, I pity you and your kind for wasting your own time further, but I say again that if I meet you in ambush and you pull this on me, expect your day to be wasted..unless you get too frustrated after 6 hours and finally log off. I don't care, because I will not be cowed by brainless, spiteful and selfish behaviour. | Sigh.
Ganz, -2 luck doesn't keep you from moving. And since I'm a Wizard, I can just make my army with one Gremlin and kill him myself with my earth power. You can give me bad luck if and only if I want you to.
But nice try.
Too bad for all those other people, who are just minding their own business, who you're already doing this to. Oh, wait, it's nothing personal, so I guess it doesn't hurt them. I think it's funny that what you wish on me is what you're already doing to people who haven't done anything to you at all. | urgone is really twisting this out of proportion.
How long does an ambush take, if you play properly? In my experience the usual time is about 5 minutes, maybe 10 if it is a close fight.
Nothing can justify turning a 10-minute game into 8 hours. Considering he is only one complaining, he's being being very selfish. | 48, are you jokeing?
You write like we are killing people when setting an ambush. We are just playing and anyone gets hurt!
We are forced to wear fullarts set to have a little chance when facing caravans. And when I meet such an intelligent player that's able to understand this, I'm sure to find him in fullarts. And usually we have a nice fight.
I'd like to suggest you to do your hunts alone since now. Someone should like to "help" you and pay you with the same money you give ti thieves. Fair play is fair play. | man...don't you realize, i am being nice to you. i never wish a bad luck on you, i dont want to "give" you any -2 luck either, thats why i agree with the idea for you to SET MINIMUM TROOPS if you want to travel but you do not want to waste your time for those damn thieves. You won't get any bad luck, you dont waste your time, the thief is glad that he dont have to worry about 1 thief point, everybody's happy, see? i know what it feels to be ambushed, and to be honest i hate it so much at first time. but then...juz after i tried to start the "thief career"...i knew that it is not easy to do, and again, thats why i suggest you to try it too...in fact sometimes i really wish that i met caravan instead of human player.
Indeed this is nothing personal. i also know that some of my "victims" did not feel very good when i ambushed them. well, they would do the same thing too if they were in my position as a thief. you CAN NOT choose your victim. all i can do is to send back their money and apologize.
by the way...the last post was not mean for wishing or cursing..
i did tell anyone who read it to imagine it, try to relax, dont get so serious and free your imagination :) | No reason to lock this thread
remeber people NOT to start personal quarrels, arguments etc here (because looks like it's just an inch from getting there)
I personally enjoy debate, and this thread has potential to have good debate... however in the first two pages it already degenerated into personal arguments and is really just one boast away from becoming a flame war. Of course it isn't to that point yet... but many of the comments made haven't been productive (I'm not saying everyone's... but many.) The lock would have been anticipatory; though you're correct in that it hasn't broke the rules yet ;p | for ipslne:
Probably you were right. I want to try something new: make a suggestion. An idea that could solve problems of every thieves hater.
We have a Merchenary Guild too. Why don't use it? Why don't create the escort mission? I'll try to explain.
I am a merchant. My life is only hunt beasts and make money. I hate thieves 'cause they steal my money and the time I usually spend hunting bunnyes. But my sword get spoiled and I have to make a travel to buy a new one. I'm so scared about thieves, so I decided to call the Merchenary Guild to get some help. I pay my gold to the merchenary guild (instead of giving them to a dirt thief) and they send me a big barbarian (just an example) to escort me during the travel. If we will meet a thief, I will flee and the brave barbarian will fight at my place.
Exept for the "thin" irony, what do you think about it? It solves every problem, doesn't it? | That is a very interesting concept. In a way it would replace the player with a NPC caravan, no harm to the thief and no harm for the ambushed. The only thing is the victim would be paying the Merc's guild for protection. Considering that they are the Mercenary's Guild, the caravan should be a Caravan of Mercenaries.
Nice one Vonemar :) | | [Post deleted by moderator Zyanya // Please no need for personal attack like that.] | urgone, your so-called arguments are extremely childish and exaggerated.
That is exactly what I'm talking about. People like LordofDrgn instigate arguments with posts like that.
As for what urgone is saying... I don't really agree. There is no serious issue here to be resolved. Some people are upset because they are getting ambushed. Thieves have been around for a while, so why change things? I have never heard a complaint from anyone I have ambushed. I complained once when someone afk'd and when someone appeared with 1 troop. I have since learned my lesson... as those are the people who don't want to be ambushed. They found a perfectly okay way to deal with it. They afk? I don't care. I get the point and they get the penalty. They have 1 troop? That's fine, I get the point and they get a quick battle.
Bottom line is, if you don't like getting ambushed, try those two techniques. Or, there is always the, "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!" path. That's been around for a while ;) | | I have been both a thief and a victim and must say I dont have a problem with either, it does surprise me though to learn that some people pay their victims after a theft. The gold made from a successful theft is hardly able to cover the cost of a good set of arts worn so I would never give anyone my hard earnt gold back. Likewise when I am the victim I believe the thief deserves to keep their booty. I do find it mildy annoying to be ambushed but since I dont wear any arts durring travel the only inconvenience is time. I generaly just smack my stacks down and kill a few things then die and go on my way. Quite often after I will wish a thief good luck in thieving and happily go on my way. | for urgone:
"There are 2 opinions in whole world - my opinion and wrong opinion" - i see its your position. Here is many people who think that you are wrong and only you think that you are right. May be you cant understand something? How old are you?
As for me - i took thieves invite in rent. Retern it and price as faster as i could. Than up TG to 4 level and sell my invite. It gave me 500k gold and some thieves arts. Eah, i spend around 150-200k on arts to up TG, but it was good deal. You need money for miniarts? May it is the way to get them? =)
In other side - exp, SP and fun. I fought with many caravans, many players. I'm playing here for fun, i dont see any reason to prevent others have fun here to. Why are you trying to do live of thiefs as badly as you can?
- Stole money? 50-100g for battle, its so big for you? Many thiefs retern money, if you ask.
- thieves force you to enter pvp when you dont want it? Why not to take 1 unit from your army? Battle will be fast, very fast.
- you thing thieves in game is thieves in real life? Common, its stupid. Than necro in game and necro in RL? =))
Mi advise - relax and have fun, all players here want to play, not to look on timer in battle with you =) | I juz saw the tread today.
I'd say thief is the best ting to happen to u IF u dun wear arts to travel.
Y?
1)Tat's the only time u dun NEED a weapon in yr right hand. Yes?
(U dun have to waste yr arts on min AP rule)
2)U get free Exp pts and SKILL pts for engaging the battle and u dun lose
any troops(100%) back to u, u may start yr hunt or quest immed after the
ambush but not for the thief who needs to restore troops.
3)All for only 50-70 gold. U dun have to waste Dur in yr Arts!!!
4)If U hate Ambush, Travel w Full arts, I do when I ws lv 6 and I nv lost when
I was ambush.( I used to be very angry when ambushed)
I travel w no arts now and try to get as many skill pts as I can which is very precious(skill pts)
I must say again, ambush is the best ting tat can happened to mi since Stupi*
AP rule I did only my hunts and a hunt assist(that was my frenz in the game) | Without a large creature for cover i find being ambushed very difficult. It's also quite annoyingly time consuming.
However that all changes with an "ambush assist" which I have experienced and lets just say it was fun to win for a change and get some points & exp. |
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