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| Author | It seems necromancers are a "dead" faction ;-) |
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| Lich shows me why beaing a large creature and a shooter is really bad :S,but they got heavy shooter power of course :D! | Can't say much about lich because i'm not lev 8. But from what I have seen you need large amount of liches to first stay alive and then do some damage. They have the low hp and can die very quickly.
for skele bow the number of them is what is important.
ghost/apparition- It's very annoying to relay on miss chance. Sometimes they can be very useful and sometimes are useless. Against some spells they are totally useless.
Vampires are the best units that I have on my level, and I have to protect them whit everything I got. If they die it is hard to use them after rising. | for Xerfer:
knight 9, 12+ (guardians are easily killed, useless)
This means that knights sux from level 12 onwards, in your opinion? | guardians are easily killed, useless
Maybe he was being sarcastic. D:
It's hard to tell on the Internet. | ^^ Yes, and necro has very nice ranged units :)
>>> I'm not necro from the beginning but i'll back to raise my necro skill and just love to see how versatile they are. One of my best memorable group battle moments is when 8 non-gated hell horses miss to hit 24 helpless just revived ghosts and got perished by very lucky retaliation :D Necro may not the star faction at group battles but you can't deny some of their unique skills.
FFA is.... ? Free For All? | for aRU: U can use Elves .. :) they have good shooters too. or barbs .. :)
Change to DE is the best way I think .. :) to do TG .. :) | @Jedi-Knight:
FFA = Free for all, yes Jeverag, you are right.
Yes, after level 12, I don't see how knights can compete.
Anyone, nope no sarcasm. Might seem unbelievable at your level ;)
Here are some "Guardians suck" links:
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?warid=480903878
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?warid=481025162
Too lazy to cite any more than those from SONYcz...just was looking at 1 or 2 of his battles, found these. As you can see, perhaps barbarian is the problem. Though demons destroy guardians also, but there is just so much on those battlefields I think it is pretty clear they're going to lose by a LOT anyways, nothing showing that guardians aren't great...
So 80 guardians = 500 damage? That's it!? And can be killed in one stroke of luck... | | Not to say knight is useless after 11. They certainly have a flair for hunting (xbows, and guardians vs. ranged...even guardians vs. ogre magi as SONYcz showed me, lol) and many merc quests are very friendly to knights- I just think there are better for GBs. | Also, maybe you don't see the benefits of undead:
Your skels cannot be confused...oh how I wish I could!
Your units cannot be bumped back on the ATB with wasp swarm...I envy you for that!
I'll also be mad when my fear aura hell horses don't do anything to you T_T | Wait.. sorry quadruple post..
Were you trying to make a pun in the title? I just noticed that, lol.
Oh its really bad by the way.. :D | IMO magic supporters (like magic necro, magic knight) may get boosted if lvl 4 and 5 magic are introduced.
This may make Chaos users a bit OP but we'll see.
ATM might builts of other races are hammering magic supporters. | | for Gyver: I believe it, the fireball and some new magics will give wizards many advantages .. :) | | I think the new schools will make darkness and nature magic more stronger,s important for necro cuz at lvl 12+ darkness magic becomes very important! | i think necros are weak,too
& DE are totally overpowered or unbalanced
thast why i'm going to change to DE | for Xerfer:
Here are some "Guardians suck" links:
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?warid=480903878
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?warid=481025162
Hiya Xerfer,
I have seen both links, and I have to disagree with you strongly there.
- 1 of the knight's team-mate in the 1st battle went AFK for a while (probably lost connection) and thus lost the advantage. And he was the last player standing in that battle.
- As for the 2nd battle, not a fair example to begin with, since the other side has 2 lvl 13s, compared to the knight's side. But again, the Guardian was 1 of the last unit standing, and took like 10-20 attacks before it went down.
- While other units die after 1-2 hits from the opponents' strong stack, it took like a gazillion strikes from tons of army to bring the Guardian down. 3 players throwing everything they got at 1 stack of Guardians, and it stood brave and strong. Name me another stack that can take 10-20 attacks from the enemies' strongest troops. :)
A better gauge would be Antos, the Lord of Knights in the fair kingdom of Lordswm. He won about 70% of the PvPs he joins. :)
While knights may not be the greatest faction for stuff like ambush, they sure are pretty decent for PvPs. I have seen loads of Antos' PvPs to know that as a fact. :)
And say what u will, I personally will not change faction just coz it'll make the game easier for me (!)
And stop putting us kind, noble, gentlemanly, and.... handsome knights down! ggrrrrrr..... :p | Oh, just to show some example of my own, here's some examples (fought in the last few days) of PvPs where knights rule (!). Note that I only took examples where there are balance number of same level players in the PvP. :p
Kusika[13], marked_one[13], chrisl[13] vs ViSao[13], Antos[13], LEVY[13]
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?lt=-1&warid=13022519
Guess who's the last one standing? :p
Fes[13], Alyna[13], kushn[12] vs ViSao[13], Antos[13], Maia[12]
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?lt=-1&warid=12929085
Again, the knight stood tall at the end. :)
And last but not least, 2 knights on 1 side!
Phase[12], LEVY[13], Kusika[13] vs SONYcz[12], Alyna[13], Antos[13]
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?lt=-1&warid=12902104
And guess which faction stood at the end of the blood fest? --> 2 knights! :D
Knights rulez! (ok, ok, I'm a tad bias, but these example proves that knights are not 'useless', no? Far from it.) :p | | ok do elves become a bad faction at later levels? | I've read all the posts of this topic only now.
I wish some of you will try to practice some of their theories. As a necro I am totally happy of my faction, I know their strenghts and their weakness and I will never talk about the weaknes of my faction on the forum. Every smart players can figure it out, but I don't think I need to help the others finding a way to beat me! ;-)
Necro are GREAT in PvP and quite good in PvM. Fore sure I would like a more well-rounded talent's wheel, but I have found something good with what I have. | | free for all | 55:
Well come on, you can't have everything, 12-13, not much difference. More importantly, of course the knight will be the last one standing
If on losing team..
Demon gone first- Why? Fast, powerful troops, and gatings that can take a lot out of you. Kill the demon, bye bye gatings. Obviously demons are first out.
Knight gone last- Why? Slow, low damage troops with lots of armor. Why waste your attacks on something that will die much more slowly, and isn't a threat in the first place? Obviously the crossbowmen will be killed, and cavalry will soon be dead just in the fray of things, but everyone leaves guardians till last, it doesn't make sense to kill them earlier.
I've seen a few on Antos PvP one was him and 2 demons...what does he do? Chatise the demons, rapid the demon, evasion the demon..demon kills all and they win...not because of his guardians.
For the second battle, "took 20-40 hits though!":
Well, 1. Didn't need to attack with all the small stacks, but people just wanted experience. They could have just let the ogre magi destroy them. That would be like 1-3 attacks.
Sure taking 10-20 attacks is great I guess, but I don't see the big deal. It never changes anything in the end, so who cares if it takes 100 attacks or 5? |
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