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200 2009-10-05 22:50:00
ok, let's use #181 vs #365 as an example:
who will get the 1 tourney point?
They need to finish their set. Also while we are at it, there should be no tie matches. Each clan faces another to produce a clear winner. I dont understand what you had in mind? | Why others, who were not involved, suddenly feel they want to over-rides both SODs and LoSs agreement totally escapes me.
If it's ONLY the battle between LOSs and SODs, any agreements is fine. BUT dont forget its a clan-battle tournament, not only the business between two clans. EVERY clan should obey the rule that we have already settled before everything starts. I think binghuo is already really clear that only 12 points are counted. If you think its not fair because some high-level clan vs low-level clan issues, then why bother join this tournament? | If it's ONLY the battle between LOSs and SODs, any agreements is fine. BUT dont forget its a clan-battle tournament, not only the business between two clans. EVERY clan should obey the rule that we have already settled before everything starts. I think binghuo is already really clear that only 12 points are counted. If you think its not fair because some high-level clan vs low-level clan issues, then why bother join this tournament?
We saw that things were NOT working out at all so we changed things up without a vote and allowed clans to face each other at any time. Do you want a zero for not finishing your matches? Thats not our problem is it but we never tried any nonsense like that. If you want to play hardball then you have zero points because your match was a bust. How did our agreement hurt any other clan? I want to know. Secondly, we STARTED this idea so dont act like we JOINED anything. | We saw that things were NOT working out at all so we changed things up without a vote and allowed clans to face each other at any time. Do you want a zero for not finishing your matches? Thats not our problem is it but we never tried any nonsense like that. If you want to play hardball then you have zero points because your match was a bust. How did our agreement hurt any other clan? I want to know. Secondly, we STARTED this idea so dont act like we JOINED anything.
All right, so just want to make sure about one thing: when this tournament is finished, how to decide who's winner? Does this 12- point score counted as the final score or its just 1 point for the winning clan, 0 point for the losing clan?
If this 12-point score does nothing to the final count, then I'm fine with it. | All right, so just want to make sure about one thing: when this tournament is finished, how to decide who's winner? Does this 12- point score counted as the final score or its just 1 point for the winning clan, 0 point for the losing clan?
Read my posts. 1 point for a win. Thats it. You cant punish clans who level down to face low level clans like that. 1 loss=zero points they can make up but not a 12 point shutout. Do you ever watch sports? When do they take running scores into the next match? Thats ridiculous. | For DEATHisNEAR:
In my proposal, the battles between any two clans produce 12 points.
one clan will face 11 other clans, so it will produce 12*11 = 132 points. it will be the max points for any clan. After all battles, the clan with most points is the final winner.
In LOS and SOD 's case, Modi reported Final Score: League of Shadows 13, and Shadow of Death 7 (see #15 in scoring thread). So 20 points produced, more than 12 points. It break the balance among all 12 clans. In other word, it's not fair for other 10 clans. As the host, it's my responsibility to keep the tournament fair enough.
If both of you two clans agree to adjust to 12 points in total, I will vote yes too.
Hope I explain my concern clearly.
For Modi:
1 tourney point from two clans is another good way. We could consider it in our next tournament (maybe you will be interested to become the host). :p | In LOS and SOD 's case, Modi reported Final Score: League of Shadows 13, and Shadow of Death 7 (see #15 in scoring thread). So 20 points produced, more than 12 points. It break the balance among all 12 clans. In other word, it's not fair for other 10 clans. As the host, it's my responsibility to keep the tournament fair enough.
If both of you two clans agree to adjust to 12 points in total, I will vote yes too.
Hope I explain my concern clearly.
Are you even reading what I am posting? How is that being fair to a clan to allow a possible shutout to hurt them when they trot out low level players to match a lesser clan? So you insist on this system? You have zero points for your match as you didnt finish a single battle. | We played first clan to reach 12 points won our clan v clan battles which gives them 1 point for the tourney.
As Modi said above. It does not matter what the final score is. The winning clan gets 1 point the losing clan 0 points. | Read my posts. 1 point for a win. Thats it. You cant punish clans who level down to face low level clans like that. 1 loss=zero points they can make up but not a 12 point shutout. Do you ever watch sports? When do they take running scores into the next match? Thats ridiculous.
I think you and binghuo means different rules that's why I'm getting confused =P | If everyone agree, the 1st week is from Mon. Sep. 28th to Sun. Oct. 4th,
You want us to hold you to that? No problem. Week one is over, scores calculated, no make up games. Is that really what you want? | As Modi said above. It does not matter what the final score is. The winning clan gets 1 point the losing clan 0 points.
ok, it's the way to decide the win/lose between 2 clans.
then how to decide who is the final winner from the tournament of 12 clans? | 10. After 9 weeks battle, the overall results will be announced based on the total scores.
In our mind, total scores means total wins vs other clans. This is no way clear by reading what you meant. | Maybe more effort should be made to get the clans which have not finished their battles to do so.
Rather than trying to "adjust" the results of already completed clan battles. | Hey, guys, in the end, what is the outcome? I suppose the best thing it happens from this tournament is the fun and the way you will know your clanmates better. Personally, I don't care who is winning and who is losing from a way of scoring or other. We are all winners because we have good time and we learn something new: how to fight in a group combat with your future support (clanmates). We, SoD, were fighting before, but mostly dispersed. Now we have the chance to know each other styles and we can think of a common strategy. I've seen at least one more clan having the same behaviour. So, really, whatever scoring system you will adopt, we will still need to fight each other. And that's the event in which _all_ of us are winners, don't you think?
LoS is a strong clan. We made many mistakes and they punished us for our mistakes. If we would have gone as in the first day, we would have won. But we weren't enough united in the end. We will try not to make the same mistake next time, but we learned that in a hard way. So, you see, even if we lost, we won by learning something new. If pride is what you are seeking for to satisfy, you will fall very hard! I don't seek my pride in this tournament, I seek my clan. | ok, it's the way to decide the win/lose between 2 clans.
then how to decide who is the final winner from the tournament of 12 clans?
You total your clan wins when you finish facing all clans once. If that does not produce a clear winner then a playoff begins to eliminate teams that are tied. | ok, here comes two score system:
1) Modi's 1 tourney point system: Modi has or will explain more to you.
2) My 12 points system: 3 points for 3v3 winner, 2 points for 2v2 winner.
in ideal, if every clan finished 4-6 battles with each other clan, the highest score is winner.
If not, the highest win percentage clan, with the score over 66 (half the possible points), is the winner.
How about let each clan leaders vote on it? who get more voting, who is the host, and we use whose system? | In the States we have 4 major sports, Baseball/Football/Basketball/Hockey. In all those sports they go by wins, not total points scored carried from game to game. In the Olympics, same thing. You get points for wins/losses and advance until you have a winner. Why should USA who thumped team X, 125-60 have an advantage in later matches because of it? No, it counts as 1 win only.The score has nothing to do with further matches. If you vote for Bing's system, you will be punishing clans on many occasions. I had no idea this is how we were going to keep score. We thought it was win total only so decided to play more games for a better series because we had two organized and willing clans. Many clans didnt play one game, nor do they come here and contribute to the conversation. Check out who posted here and see. Furthermore I will not have any clan in collusion with another clan to give points to a friendly and lose matches because they are out of the race. That could bury some teams. To minimize this, there should be a one point system.
I wish it was an honest world but we see in this game it is far from it and with that in mind, let us take care to keep things from being out of hand. The one point system will hurt you the least and damage you the most. | The one point system will hurt you the least and damage you the most.
Uh, not what I meant obviously. The total point system will damage you the most. | " Darn, I hate that clan dont you? Yeah, I would rather see clan X win it, my friends are there." We are out of the race and cant win so lets make sure clan X gets 12 points when we face them. Cool, I'm in. Anything so clan Q doesnt win it all."
A possible conversation with the total point system. | I think that there is a big miscommunication going.
I will say this.
Early on I said we should keep this simple. Playing the point systems SHOULD be between clans--ie first one to 12 points wins. Using 2v2 as 2 point wins, and 3v3s as 3 point wins, this is all fine and fair. I like it.
However, in the "Record" score of say clan #x, it doesn't make any sense to make them 12...or 13..or any other number beyond 1 (as in #153 case, since the matches did not add perfectly to 12 because it was combinations of 2v2/3v3). They should be, as Modi suggested, a 1 point score simply because no one should have the "unfair advantage" or "disadvantage" associated with a scoring system that takes into account individual performance against your opponents.
So anyway, this is how I understand the tournament to work...if I am incorrect, please clarify. If I am correct, then we are not really arguing about anything, it would appear that there is simply a miscommunication.
Cheers,
LS |
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