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for DragonFlayer:
Moderator actions cannot be discussed in public , i fully agree with that . But it was not a moderator action , it was a log of a moderator with fines . And find me a rule which says it is not allowed ? |
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<the comments right before mine occurred before i posted>
Just thought I'd bring to light ONCE MORE, that there is more than 1 thread started which was meant to discuss problems with mods or the game in general:
cepruyc: improperness of law
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1864025
Skunder: Moderator Discussion
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1864306
Arctic: Discussion Polygon: LWM staff - Moderators
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1877993
as such, i reiterate my point that it seems such a thread ought to be opened to the public since that has become the norm here in the game - as well as show a 'good faith' action towards the community, since mods are here for "the betterment of the community". |
@102. It was questioning an admin decision. Trying to say someone has a shady past and thus should be kicked from a mod clan is in my opinion a personal attack as well. We may agree to disagree on that....
The forums is not the place for that discussion. As Lexa, dArtagnan and Cepruyc seem to be active at the moment, a post to the secretary is obviously the way to do it. |
@104
It was questioning an admin decision
How about a little even-fisted moderation barby? Here I found 2 threads without even a hard search, which are BLATANTLY questioning the admins' decisions. Mind you I could have found numerous more threads had I gone back a few more pages...
Here we go...
The first was open for 3 1/2 hours, 3 mods posted on it, and then the author closed the thread by his own will WITHOUT a ban/delete.
The second is from June/8 and is STIll open and contains numerous posts even by mods.
Hold on, I know you're waiting for the clincher...wait for it...AND you posted (as a mod) a total of 3 times on these threads without closing/deleting/banning the author.
So how about a little consistency? How about we show IMpartiality across the board and not single out someone who just comments on one of your friends/clanmates about a VALID point? And how about we start looking for what's right? Dan was evicted for "illegal activities" (which were actually cleared by Arctic) and no one is demanding he be reinstated. Honestly, do you feel it is fair and just for him to be kicked but edwin stays on board? (you can give your opinion on this one, i won't argue your right to).
The threads:
Do you think we should have fairer admins?
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1881825
3 1/2 hours open - 3 mods posting, barby post 6
peole getting banned
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1883072
still open, barby posts 22 and 33
Trying to say someone has a shady past...is in my opinion
actually Dan posted his public record, and also, your position is not meant to give opinions it is to enforce the law when required in an even and impartial way
The forums is not the place for that discussion. As Lexa, dArtagnan and Cepruyc seem to be active
Once upon a time, arctic opened a thread where this information was meant to be posted on...that was closed to us. but then again, i just commented on this above even though you side-stepped that part of my comment. ;)
But all in all, if you'd like to open the Polygon thread again i'm sure i could convince Dan to keep his posts about admins/mods on the thread that it was meant to be posted on, unless you feel either yourself or QA (thread closer) are above the good merits of Arctic? |
Both those threads you mentioned are talking in the abstract. Not one of them mentioned a specific decision. There's a big difference between discussing how often characters are blocked, if blocking or fines are the right thing to do; and mentioning a specific admin decision and naming and shaming someone.
My opinion on what is, or is not, a breach of the rules is a judgement call. Thus, "my opinion". As you surely know, being a mod yourself once.
I'm sure if I was willing to waste a large amount of time, I could find similar threads about admin processes when you were a mod. In the "dark ages" there were endless threads about admin behaviour that were allowed to run for a long time with the mods not shutting them down or deleting them. A precedent on letting those kind of threads run has been set.
I was not the one to close the polygon thread. I will not be the one to reopen it. You speak of consistency at 1 point, and then ask for 1 mod to overrule another mods decision. I would request consistency from you too Skunds. |
What a pathetically sad and weak response revealing a truly spineless nature.
You can't even face the truth and say, "You're right, those issues are discussing the actions of admins and should be closed. I made a mistake in posting there."
That at least would have shown a reason to respect you. Heck you could have noted even that you were a relatively new mod at that point...
You speak of consistency at 1 point, and then ask for 1 mod to overrule another mods decision
you act as if this has never been done before...even recently, and was not applauded by the general community...or you could simply ask her to do it.
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Also others have contacted me since your post wishing to stay anonymous (and no it's not Dan) simply to say how apparent your hypocrisy is considering the actions of the past (specifically the hundreds of posts -we'll not mention directly from who- which targeted many of the former mods). |
Just posting for tracking purposes.
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1883189 |
Skunder, the reason I don't say you are right is because you are not. If you can't see the difference between the threads you've mentioned and a specific reference to a specific person, I am surprised.
I'd also ask you to answer honestly. If I'd closed those threads, would you have posted about overzealous mods closing threads that shouldn't be closed?
The deleted thread was all about where the discussion about who should be mods is discussed. Who is a mod is not a democratic decision, it's decided by the admins. It's not right to have specific individuals discussed publicly. It's the province of the admins to disucss this in private.
In regards to your last paragraph, I'd like to refer to something cut and posted from your profile.
From the Poly-Debacle thread, my current feelings from this point forward:
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1877993&page=31 [post 628] |
To answer your questions directly:
I'd also ask you to answer honestly. If I'd closed those threads, would you have posted about overzealous mods closing threads that shouldn't be closed?
Honestly, no. I don't think any such comment has ever been heard from me in the past. Of course there will be other voices which say so, most likely not with my backing. Honestly I look at those threads as pointless, with as much merit as "new faction" threads in Creative Forum.
If you can't see the difference between the threads you've mentioned and a specific reference to a specific person, I am surprised.
I don't see where it says 'ONLY a specific reference can not be discussed' in this rule. Which is the same rule you are relying on for your basis, if I am correct?
5.1. Administration's actions and decisions are not subject to discussion.
The simple matter is, your answers are Spin.
I'd like to refer to something cut and posted from your profile
I'm quite aware of what I posted. And nowhere in that post does it say I won't partake of forums or chat room. And I personally feel that lately my voice and the voice of others has been silenced and even threatened. Such as Dan's 1 day ban in chat room or my own warning from the same mod for similarly giving an OPINION. Which I will not stand for. I have put far more time, energy, and consideration into this server and its welfare than you have yet dreamt of doing, and I will not be silenced due to fear or incompetence of others about seeing truth and good old fashioned scruples.
My problem with this thread at this point is that this is going nowhere. My direct questions are being deflected, and the bigger case about why inequaltiy amongst mods is occurring is being buried. Remember, your position is to aid the community, not lord over it. I won't post further on this until a new situation may be brought up (though I hope there is not reason to have to). |
Since this brings up an earlier subject posted here, I thought it valid. Such as what is to be done with mods [representative of honesty and above reproach] who are caught doing illegal activities. Should they be evicted?
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1883844 |
| *mumbles something about being a "role model"* |
| Communication silenced -_- . |
for Erebes:
As usual, as usual :P
Its better that way :) |
| nothing ever happens u must fight for what u belive in and change is a good thing at times |
| ^^ I believe our admins is too busy to explain why they're more active at one place. Anyway, admins from mars and we're from venus. |
Funny thing is the thread has already been posted, and Modi has made the process easy for Lexa to deal with it. Nothing has been done at the moment, Im still waiting :)
https://www.lordswm.com/pl_info.php?id=4462744 :)
Found it because OndaNera had a forum ban from Lexa, so I clicked to go to the topic and came here: https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1876526 |
| Asking why ban to OndaNera is considered flood would be totally useless, i guess? Or worse would it be considered "discussing mods (admins) actions in public"? Pls, give opinions |
| And here goes the salary for June :) Gratz Mods. |
| Dear God, mods really are underpaid. Seriously, where's their milk? |
