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Stalking thief.....beware


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AuthorStalking thief.....beware
#138

btw i dont know why ur always unhappy

And where did you get that I was unhappy about 'whatever-it-is-I'm-unhappy'about' ? I don't recall saying anything remotely close to that.


#139

Hiya Straws,

Sorry, didn't make myself clear - I didn't say it's a fixed 20%. It's more like I have read on numerous threads that there's a rough ratio as to whether we get a player or caravan when an ambush is triggered. :)
We all have our opinion. I have stated mine, you people are free to state yours. Why do we have a problem if mine is different from yours?

Anyway, qway too much time on this thread for me. So I'll leave it to the rst of you to continuw this discussion. I'm out.

Have a good LWM day. :)
First, I also dislike the way he ambush other players, but now I don't really care about this.
Actually we are debating for nothing. Nothing you can change by debating in this topic,both the rules nor him.

Personally, I play this game just for intermezzo between a lot of various activities in my real life :)
So, just let him wasting his real life just for monitoring players that will move to other location for up to 20 hours every day only to catch one up to three players every hours. LOL
Basically, I believe what Pantheon meant was it's not a question of whether how good/bad/smart d84 is.

The game never intended for any player to be able to CHOOSE what he/she gets, caravan or player, and definitely not to the point where you can even choose WHICH player you wanna face in an ambush..


Yes, that's what I meant when I responded to smart0eddie's post about the legality of this way of ambushing (or darkelf84's high ratio of player-victims to caravans).

But, in all sincerity, all the best to you, d84. You have certainly changed the way how lvl 13s play and behave in this game.

3.18. The Administration keeps a right to cease access to the game to any player who hinders the gameplay, deceives or swindles other lawful players.

Would that fall under hinders the gameplay?

For Someon3:
Nothing you can change by debating in this topic,both the rules nor him.
Well, if someone (one of darkelf84's many many victims) feels they are being harassed, a stalker targetting you in 2-4 ambushes a day, or their gameplay has been hindered, then they can quote that rule in their complaint under the CaA forum.

None of my posts in this topic are attacks against darkelf84; I'm only responding to other posts about the situation. Yes, he has ambushed me multiple times for many months at level 13 and 12, but they don't really bother me.
Do i hinder the gameplay? This means Emprise hinders the gameplay too. Because i can only do what Emprise allows me to do. People can tell emprise that don't allow thieves to ambush players. We will have the faster gameplay. Anyone has the idea what causes the gameplay faster and faster? No monsters, no caravans, no quests, no combats ...? but still yes EXP, fs, gold ...?
for darkelf84:
Should TG allow thieves to target other players?

a stalker targetting you in 2-4 ambushes a day
Does that count as stalking? Should stalking be perfectly acceptable?

You have certainly changed the way how lvl 13s play and behave in this game.
Does changing the way others play through your actions be considered as hindering gameplay?

Because i can only do what Emprise allows me to do.
Are you exploiting loopholes? Should those loopholes be closed?
I think you have exactly hurt jedi's game experience.When I read this topic,at the first he doesn't mind caught by thieves with no arts.His view is:every high level player had join thief's guild,so pp shouldn't equip full arms to clean the thief on the road.
but after several days,he offer a bounty of 1000 gold for your head.as one reply,many people alter their mind because of you.some equip full arts even enchanted weapon,some consider to rest till you level up to lv14.
this topic has 2 point I think.
1.how do you know people traveling:imformation is opened to anyone but you must need some addition programs to monitor lv13 player,almost all of them.
2.what your secret:you have up to 90% to catch traveler you can 100% win,reap exp,thief point and fsp.secret must be secret.thief play is half of pvm and half of pvp.your secret should not exist.if more and more people know how to catch player,avoid NPC caravan.adm should fix this error,no matter this is illegal or not.
Pantheon i will have to disagree with you on this one . I have been trying to go to battle page and track people doing merc quests . I coudnt track a single player . D84 does the work of tracking players and get rewarded for it /

Does that count as stalking? Should stalking be perfectly acceptable?
Stalking is not exactly what he is doing . He is tracking for the purpose combat .

Does changing the way others play through your actions be considered as hindering gameplay?
Uhh , one thief changes how all the level 13's play .

Are you exploiting loopholes? Should those loopholes be closed?
What empire allows cannot be a loophole .
for Erebes:
I'm not sure how he does it, but players have brought up whether his actions are legal.

Stalking is not exactly what he is doing . He is tracking for the purpose combat .
Jedi considers it stalking if D84 is ambushing a specific player 2-4 times a day. I was just asking if D84 himself consider his own actions as stalking and if stalking should be allowed in the first place. You call it "tracking", others may call it "stalking", and then someone else may it call it something else. But whatever the term, should it be legal? I realize that travelers do get a 3 hour reprieve from thieves after a loss, but is that enough if you play intermittently over 12 hours and you get ambushed 5 times everyday?

Uhh , one thief changes how all the level 13's play .
I don't know about all; but level 13 players have said he has affected how they play.

What empire allows cannot be a loophole .
Loopholes are loopholes. Merriam-Webster Dictionary:
a means of escape; especially : an ambiguity or omission in the text through which the intent of a statute, contract, or obligation may be evaded
Loopholes are getting around what Empire intented to happen. Now I don't know if Empire intented this or not; but his actions/results could be a loophole.
Does changing the way others play through your actions be considered as hindering gameplay?

This could be extended to people who travel full arts and hinder the gameplay strategy of people ambushing in minap to try and decrease their caravans, there are lots of things that affect the way people play the game but wouldnt be classed as this


IMO if people change the arts they wear when travelling, this has nothing to do with darkelf84, he isn't forcing them to equip their expensive arts, they still have free choice and ambushing is all just a part of the game, as is thief hunting, it all works both ways
for lcorndogl:
Has anyone actually been able to (and continues to) target specific thieves in their thief hunting? As for as I know thief hunters just travel around a lot and hope they catch thieves in popular ambush spots. I have yet to hear about thieves complaining that so and so have been targetting them and anti-thieving them 6-12 times a day.
I have yet to hear about thieves complaining that so and so have been targetting them and anti-thieving them 6-12 times a day.

I've had one person who complained about it, just not publically
Travelers can arrange in such a way that they are never bothered by thieves.

Ultimately non-thieves have the upper-hand! All it takes is just a bit of premeditation (and a loyal friend).
It really doesn't matter if he has stalked a player and keeping clicking Refresh or whatever - the program should still have an 80% chance to trigger a caravan instead of the stalked player, no?

There is no official info about this. So the 80% is just an empiric guess.

As for the magical script/ loophole blah blah rule: There is a difference between exploiting the loophole and understanding the game mechanics. Its like saying you cheat, because you have found a loophole like using enchants, high faction level, artifacts, etc..simply anything you do and others dont because they dont know the game as well as you.

PS: I have tried setting an ambush when watching particular player return from his quest. It works quite nice without any script or anything. You just have to pick your player(which is the boring, long and lame part) and set an ambush his way.

Also, for those who think d84 invented this, I have been stalked and hunted when I was combat level 6. With older thief rules, when thieving flourished, there were dozens of stalking thieves. With change of game mechanics, their chances to hit the player seem to have been increased.
Some playes's disscusing really makes me sick. They said i was exploiting loopholes whitout any reason, any proof. They even said my action is illegal without any proof.
Do you really know the author's thought whose has created this game? People ask Emprise immediately before writing those words. The name of the game is "Lords of War and Money", "War" is a part of the game, but people want a peacefull land.
I have joined 2 wars: The first war is between travelers and thieves and the other is thieves and anti-thieves. I think i have been doing what Emprise and the author want.
Does anybody remember a couple of players who are bf/gf in real life, CGSMCMLXXV and Anita2008? Too bad their levels are too low, or they would be the perfect solution to your darkelf84 problem. :)
for Geryon:
Yes, I remember them. They would almost always travel together. But they only bothered the poor thieves that didn't choose their victims.

darkelf84 actually chooses his victims.

I wish the admins would make rules (game changes) to either make it illegal (impossible) to stalk/pick victims or make it legal (easier) to stalk/pick victims.

darkelf84 obviously believes his actions are 120% ethical/legal/Empire-approved and refuses to even entertain the idea that any aspect of his actions/results may cause problems for others.

Then on the other hand there are those victims who absolutely hate thieves and want the admins to remove that game feature. I've read it 1000s of times on the forums and in player profiles telling victims it wasn't a personal attack and that the thief didn't/can't choose their victims. Now if everyone held darkelf84's beliefs, then there wouldn't be so many complaints about thieves and there wouldn't be even more thieves explaining it wasn't a personal attack and that the game chooses a caravan or some random victim.
It wasn't just that they traveled together. Like darkelf84, they also found a "loophole" in the intended randomness to exploit. Why don't you level-13 folks try the same thing, just for fun (and collect 1000 gold from Jedi-Knight as a reward to boost)? You do know what I'm talking about, right?
I'm not sure if Jedi's 1000 gold reward has any restrictions. darkelf84 also offered a 1000 gold reward for any anti-thief (single; not a pair) that can catch and beat him.

I don't know how many players are even trying to catch him, but I'm sure there are probably at least 1-2.
probably at least 1-2.

Are you kidding , any level 13 with a full set is after him =P
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