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100% right. One man who comes and goes and can't be relied on is not enough.
It is correct Arctic on/off again is not the best, but he has still managed to do much more for the server than anybody else on this server.
An at least everybody knew where we had him, we knew what the rules where. And he seemed to care about the entire server.
But I agree with you task and barbarian fishy that we need .Ru attention because the current situation is unstable. People don't know how to interpret the rules people are treated differently and we simply lack an compassionate and just person with admins backing to take care of this server.
Right now it is very far from acceptable, with the majority feeling confused and neglected.
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But this thread is not about that this is about the MC clan, and hope taht every MC willing to cooperate will come together so it can function as a representative of the entire server and we communicate the needs we have.
Also glad too see LoS interest in this topic, hope you will change your mind and participate. Cannot see what it will hurt your ingame role-playing, as you often go outside that frame and communicate "normal" with the rest of us | for Khellendros:
This is a good idea, and we will be watching it grow from the shadows...if corruption infects your club do not forget that we will lay waste to it.
If you set up PvP events, you need only send a messenger, we will be more than happy to hone our skills against the best armies Empire has to offer. | corruption infects your club do not forget that we will lay waste to it.
Corruption is when the few can control the majority, so hard to see that would happen. There is democratic guidelines. It is not controlled from the top, that is when corruption happens.
But sorry I get confused (I am not a big role-player guy)
Is this role play, or is it serious.
If it is not role-play, then it begs the question how can you lay it to waste? | This is not an role playing or is it so serious as you maybe think it is.
Without going any deeper in discussions I will just quote text from our clan homepage:
"<< We are an HONEST BRAWLER clan -- COWARDS and CHEATERS are NOT welcome >>
<< RESPECT ALL SERVER RULES! >>"
So if there will be any start of corruption, we will lay waste to it.
Hope you get answer.
Cheers. | | has an application been put in ? or are we still waiting to gather funds ? whatever you need i'll donate as much as i can | May i suggest you to go on your posts elsewhere than here... If you dislike or doubt, ignore it atm like had said limus and i respect his post! Please don't turn this in an agressive thread or something like that!
So please let's go on without flame or i ll ask mods to do their duty here! | Hosting Clan is to be created mid next week - i'm still expecting important feedback from some of our fellow Lords. Funds are not a problem.
There are two sorts of things to be discussed: a) practical issues regarding the foundation and rules of the Council; and b) what can be done when the Council is in place.
About the first, here's the current status/plan:
-all feedback will be incorporated in the final Statutes to be presented to all joining MCs
-every Leader will be contacted in order to appoint representatives and approve the Statutes
About the purposes of the Council:
-our job as mere players will be done, as to create a Council ready to become Official; anything beyond this is not up to us
-there will still be plenty we can do without the cooperation of the Admins or before they cooperate with us. We shouldn't, IMHO, stand still awating Arctic's return. Once MCs have a steady gathering place, we can unofficially do a lot. As i said before, the inter-MC world has barely been explored. Let us be pioneers :-)
A proposal of my own here: there's something i once discussed with Arctic that we could do: be responsible for official news (write the news drafts for him to approve and implement). This is obviously more roleplay oriented stuff, that i'm sure many of you would enjoy beeing part of. | Hosting Clan is to be created mid next week - i'm still expecting important feedback from some of our fellow Lords. Funds are not a problem.
There are two sorts of things to be discussed: a) practical issues regarding the foundation and rules of the Council; and b) what can be done when the Council is in place.
About the first, here's the current status/plan:
-all feedback will be incorporated in the final Statutes to be presented to all joining MCs
-every Leader will be contacted in order to appoint representatives and approve the Statutes
About the purposes of the Council:
-our job as mere players will be done, as to create a Council ready to become Official; anything beyond this is not up to us
-there will still be plenty we can do without the cooperation of the Admins or before they cooperate with us. We shouldn't, IMHO, stand still awating Arctic's return. Once MCs have a steady gathering place, we can unofficially do a lot. As i said before, the inter-MC world has barely been explored. Let us be pioneers :-)
A proposal of my own here: there's something i once discussed with Arctic that we could do: be responsible for official news (write the news drafts for him to approve and implement). This is obviously more roleplay oriented stuff, that i'm sure many of you would enjoy beeing part of.
Great news, looking forward to the clan be established!
Always nice with people want to fight for activity | | I can pay 100K, write PM (rus, eng, ger). | Thanks, Aluca, but like i said, funds are not needed. I will quite literally put my money where my mouth is to see this project come true :-)
The plan to setup the hosting clan later this week is still up. | part 1: create clan
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2 months later
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admins still not accepted clan
^^ | But this thread is not about that this is about the MC clan, and hope taht every MC willing to cooperate will come together so it can function as a representative of the entire server and we communicate the needs we have.
I'm sure others recall the original "Townhall Meeting" thread created by Skunder (https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1880382) to try and initiate communications between this server and the Admins.
In spite of promises to answer the Townhall Meeting questions (https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1890352 - see post # 13) nothing ever happened.
Until such time as the admins decide to pay attention to this server it is doubtful that the Military Clan Council can actually achieve very much.
Consider the fate of the "official" Juries clan (https://www.lordswm.com/clan_info.php?id=7591) originally intended to complement efforts of those reporting cheaters. Now it just sits there, inactive, a reminder of Admin inattention.
-there will still be plenty we can do without the cooperation of the Admins or before they cooperate with us. We shouldn't, IMHO, stand still awating Arctic's return. Once MCs have a steady gathering place, we can unofficially do a lot.
I'd be interested in hearing actual suggestions about what exactly can be "done" without the cooperation of the Admins that isn't already being done (see Khellendros' excellent efforts with the "Sunday Duel CG Tourney" https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1912164 for example).
Grunge | you forgot this one grunge;
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1892187 | I think everyone has a picture about admins' activity, so I guess no one needs your "smart", obviously negative and probably frustated comments.
You think creating this council is naive? Just leave us and do something adult. ;) | @Grunge
Most MCs have active players creating small events for their players. The Council will, we hope, put in direct contact these active players from these MCs, creating a bigger team to create bigger events. This is what is at hand without Admin cooperation. Whatever comes as plus from them will just make things (a lot) better. Again, let me remind you that seting this up won't guarantee Admin cooperation - but if we do nothing, then there will be no coop for sure.
Khellendros is supporting this project, and he might be in the Council should Laitha officially nominate him as a rep of WGW. And Skunder agreed to be a part of the project. Things are coming together, and i hope at some point LoS will recognize the importance of this project and enter the Council. And even without entering it, i hope you join events beeing produced.
To you and Sven91, two quotes from the famous General and Master Strategist Sun Tzu:
"You must believe in yourself" and "Opportunities multiply as they are seized"
Think positive :-) | -all feedback will be incorporated in the final Statutes to be presented to all joining MCs
Guess I missed the part where only positive feedback is required.
And I was wondering about something that Syrian said earlier.
and b) what can be done when the Council is in place.
As I phrased it in my post # 72 - I'd be interested in hearing actual suggestions about what exactly can be "done" without the cooperation of the Admins that isn't already being done.
Or is it unrealistic to imagine someone could answer such a question?
Grunge | Come grunge, we need players like you to support this project and i know how funny and usefull you can be (cf q&h)! Take it easy and help us like you can, with or without the help of the administration!
Syrian so, as resume what do we have as project atm? | Well, Grunge, we also need negative feedback to let us know where we're coming short, so you're right. And your skepticism does the project a great good: it keeps ppl grounded. It's best for expectations not to be balooned into the stratosphere. We'll do what we can with the manpower available - and to answer your question, i hope we can setup the first Clan War of the server, with a Story to go along with it. If anything, it sounds like fun.
@Patrickou
The Council is about ready to be setup, i need only a final word from Skunder on some details, and i also have to actually contact joining MC Leaders for appointment of representatives and approval of the Statutes. I'll be compiling the final version of the latter sometime the next few days. I might post them here, but approval will be given by pm, as any other "official" act. | latest draft:
MILITARY CLAN COUNCIL Statutes
1. The Council is a Normal Clan, with its own chatroom for holding meetings.
2. Each MC willing to participate in the Council nominates one or two representatives to the Council, with power to speak in name of his/their MC and power to vote on matters.
2.1 If possible, representatives of the Administration and of Moderators and Sages are also welcome to the Council (1 Forum Mod, 1 Sage and 1 Chat Mod) as observers.
3. Each MC chooses the way its representatives are appointed (internal election, direct appointment, the leader himself chooses to represent his MC, etc.)
4. Each MC is free to enter and leave the Council at any time.
5. Proposals or Official Stands of the Council are to be made directly to the Admins or posted in the Game Forum, or both, depending on which is the case;
6. Structure of functioning:
6.1. Representatives assemble whenever prompted to discuss/vote on matters;
6.2. The Council is to have at least one Secretary, if possible MC-less;
6.2.1. It is the Secretaries’ task to ensure votings are done with transparency, statutory rules are followed, and in general to make sure every MC is treated on an equal basis;
6.3. Voting requires simple (1/2 + 1 of the total votes) to approve something;
6.4. Minimum amount of presences for votings to be binding is 5 MCs;
6.5 Each MC has 1 vote, regardless of how many representatives it has in the Council. Admins, Mods and Sages do not vote.
6.6. Votings that are approved but do not fulfill point 6.4 mean they do not bind the Council.
7. It should be matter for discussion:
7.1. Proposals to change the rules of the game;
7.2. Proposals to create/adjust current or future events;
7.3. Proposals to improve the game in any way;
7.4. Official Military Clan Council stand on any matter regarding the game.
8. It should not be matter for discussion:
8.1. Internal organization and administration of each MC;
8.2. Personal matters between: MCs, MC members, Admins, Mods or any other party.
9. Decisions made by the Council are bound by word and constitute a Gentlemen's agreement.
10. Any MC that votes against an approved proposal has the right to make that opposition public (and vice versa, for endorsements to rejected proposals). | | Most MC representatives have been nominated. Application of the Clan has been sent. Waiting for approval... |
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