| Author | [Mirror] Lords&Heroes. FSP gap. |
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he used old game mechanism and thats no longer possible
but there milions of ru players with more fsp and less exp
They also "used old game mechanism and thats no longer possible".
Okay we compare average value at lvl 14 but wait...when lvl 13(5m less exp) has 1300 more fsp than lvl 14,don't you think someting is wrong?
We can find the same situation on .ru.
You are right, the fact is that average .com players has worse ratio, and we got worse ratio tahn you did on .ru
I would like to see these values. Can somebody give this information in the form like here http://lgnd.ru/stat/average? As for me, bonus in per cents results in high difference between players with different activity. If the gap really big, it is better to add the difference between the average fsp for ru and com as a gift, but not as a “20% bonus of fsp in combats”.
LordNebiros92, abuse? I will remember you. |
Based on the premise that there is a significant gap. I would like to state my arguments why the only way to close the gap requires admin help.
1) .com cannot reasonably be expected to close the gap on their own
Assuming equal average skill from players from both servers, it's not likely for .com players to catch up, because whatever .com players can do, .ru players can do just as well. Play TG and wait for events that give a good ratio? Hah, you mean .ru players will not participate in the event? :)
With equal opportunity and equal skill, there will be no difference to the FSP gap.
N.B. The [x/1.6,x*1.6] interval is too wide to be of any real help. Substitute x with 5k FSP, and players from 3125 FSP to 8k FSP are all on the same playing field. Is it even fair? My opinion is that it exists only to prevent players from exploiting the system, or to adjust players who have already exploited back to the 'fair' level.
2) .com players should not have to work doubly hard
Both servers have their fair share of players who spent a lot of time, effort & money to maintain a respectable FSP/EXP ratio. But while the time and effort invested is absolute, the advantage is relative, which becomes moot when the servers are merged.
Imagine a running track. Players on .ru have been running on lane 1, while players on .com have been running on lane 8. Let me classify players from each server into 3 distinct groups: i) Fast runners (top 33% fsp/exp ratio), ii) average runners (next 33%), and iii) slow runners (remaining 33%)
Again assuming equal skill, it follows that .com's fast runners are actually running at the same speed as .ru's fast runners, .com's average runners' speed equal to .ru's average runners' speed and so on.
However despite running at the same speed, due to running on different lanes, each group from .ru has actually outlapped its respective group from .com. What happened is that suddenly all .com players are put onto lane 1, with the .ru counterparts a whole lap ahead. A .com player who was in the top 33% percentile may now only be average, and an average .com player is now in the bottom 33%.
This, despite having spent equal time and effort into the game? Just because .com has been running on the outermost lane all these while? |
for moro888:
Now that the servers are mixed - there will be more.
The same problem will still exist as both .com players & .ru players will be increasing their fsp.
right now, on level 13 the gap is lets say 2k.
On level 15 that gap will be useless:
player on ru will have 11 main fraction skill, and so will the com player.
In a duel they will be equal.
Let me tell you my story:
level 14 - got fraction skill 9
level 15 - got fraction skill 10
Level 16 - got fraction skill 11
Level 17 - got fraction skill 12
That's why i don't see a problem. Many players right now are in a better position. When they reach me on level 20. They will have fraction skill 14, while i will have 13 :) |
In summary, admin help is the only way to close the fsp gap, because .com players cannot be reasonably expected to close the gap on their own, and even if they could, they do not deserve to have to work doubly hard. :)
But does the gap need to be closed?
ie. Does it cause too much of a advantage/disvantage between .ru and .com players?
I'll leave that to you guys to discuss.
(Sorry for breaking my post into 2 parts, I kinda forgot to write in the last bit) |
But does the gap need to be closed?
I think, yes. But using procedure, which not actually lead to an even greater gap. I guess that one-time fsp gift will be OK. However admin may think that "work doubly hard" = "donate doubled" ) |
and please don't keep posting Ethereality profile,he is just ONE player and he used old game mechanism and thats no longer possible
I post this profile only to show that the analysis of any individual profiles is useless. And so I'm rephrasing your sentence: please don't keep posting any profile. Do not show “your story”, because it shows nothing. Look at the situation more widely. For a correct analysis we need to know the average fps values for each level on com and ru. Everything seems to agree with this, but at the same time continue to compare achievements or failures of particular player.
To move from words to action, we need a comparative table of the average fps values for each level on com and ru. Only this table can be an argument for all players, and perhaps for admins. For ru such table is ready (see reference in my message 61). Where similar table for com? |
Thats a silly thing to say. For every 1 event .com had that gave a good
fsp/ratio .Ru had 10 events that gave a good fsp ratio.
You are too fixated with events. I did not become a better than average .ru player now by doing events. Let me reiterate what I'm trying to say: majority of .com players were too negligent of the opportunities available to them. CG was a dead guild despite the fact that it had the best FSP/XP ratio in the server. No one seemed to bother managing their HG and MG. We have better LG (not sure about this) but very few people bother developing their castles for anti skills. You cannot use the ".ru had more opportunities" argument because the majority of .com players squandered the precious few opportunities that they have. If we were all like Lord Tutanhamon (id=4858519) then maybe we can use that line of reasoning but we are not. It will only sound like a silly excuse for freebies. |
For a .com player, you were levelling up too fast yourself...
Your XP: 13362408;
Your FSP: 2.9 k;
My XP: 5413508;
My FSP: 2.8 k
You can stay at any level for many years gaining fsp farming by "level camping" for a certain period of time or for your whole game experience.
OR
You can level up as fast as you can and spend years on a higher level gaining fsp experience.
Your entitled to your opinion but I feel like I have put alot of time and effort into this game and some money too.
At times I may have leveled faster than others and other times I have taken my time enjoying the game.
Regardless I understand there will almost always be someone who has put more effort and time into this game.
I don't know about money but it does not look like you put enough time and effort on your toon, man. Now compare yourself to another .com player:
https://www.lordswm.com/pl_info.php?id=4858519
That dude have a higher player id than you do. He did not have same old player benefits like old school HG and TG like me. And yet he still managed to get awesome stats (4.1 k FSP, higher than .ru average for CL 13 which is 3713 FSP). Why are you not as strong as him? How do you explain that?
Not that this matters really but since you asked me why
sure I can give you a few opinions.
Yes hes a newer player who caught up with a older player not the first time.
This makes it easy to see he is much more active than i am. If i can play 4 combats a day when you can only play 2 can you catch up with me? Perhaps overtake me?
I have had also some long periods of inactivity, a job, kids, etc etc.
He plays well for fsp and play and wins many of our survival tournies which i become bored of due to lack of other events or updates at .com
This is your problem: admins see players using an excuse to get free FSP.
Being from .com is inconsequential.
You could have been stronger than you are right now if you stayed in .com.
There was plenty of opportunity there but only a few .com players saw it.
It was a different kind of opportunity but like they say, the grass is always greener on the other side...
I think your speaking from your own opinion not from admin
We aren't looking for a advantage just a balancing so we can have more fun playing with all of you on the battlefield.
The rock bottom line is and what matters only we didn't receive the opportunities to play the events and activities you played and enjoyed and grew stronger from we just want to be play on a fair level. Let us work for it, gift, or whatever admin decides we can only hope something will be done it time. |
Let me tell you my story:
level 14 - got fraction skill 9
level 15 - got fraction skill 10
Level 16 - got fraction skill 11
Level 17 - got fraction skill 12
That's why i don't see a problem. Many players right now are in a better position. When they reach me on level 20. They will have fraction skill 14, while i will have 13 :)
i dont know wher you get these stats, so far i played 10 CG's. 8 out of 10 players have fsl 10 in my level :P
You are too fixated with events. I did not become a better than average .ru player now by doing events. Let me reiterate what I'm trying to say: majority of .com players were too negligent of the opportunities available to them. CG was a dead guild despite the fact that it had the best FSP/XP ratio in the server. No one seemed to bother managing their HG and MG. We have better LG (not sure about this) but very few people bother developing their castles for anti skills. You cannot use the ".ru had more opportunities" argument because the majority of .com players squandered the precious few opportunities that they have. If we were all like Lord Tutanhamon (id=4858519) then maybe we can use that line of reasoning but we are not. It will only sound like a silly excuse for freebies
i would say we used CG in better way than .ru. 1 or 2 battles from 500 online players is better than 5 battles from 15K players.
about LG, no one is complaining about gold or castles here.
i dont know why you guys take 1 character and justifying. take average.
we negligent? sigh we wer abandoned :P
we did what is important to survive. |
@67: tutanhamon is almost bad example like ethereality
tut he have so good stats cuz he WIN every CG battle and get good fsp/exp ratio
he make the CG dead on .com i think he get only 2 lose
lv.11 8 fsp dwarf he make me quit cg |
we negligent? sigh we wer abandoned :P
You can be "abandoned" and "negligent" at the same time. XD
tut he have so good stats cuz he WIN every CG battle and get good fsp/exp ratio
he make the CG dead on .com i think he get only 2 lose
lv.11 8 fsp dwarf he make me quit cg
And this is a good example of the lack of competitiveness in .com. You should be finding ways to beat him, not avoid him. I was not afraid to take him on. I never won but I did not avoid him when I was doing CG. If you want to convince the admins to give you FSP compensation, you should be proving to them that you tried your best.
We aren't looking for a advantage just a balancing so we can have more fun playing with all of you on the battlefield.
Then why are you so against giving the less than average .ru players the same FSP compensation? They deserve the same chance for fun play, don't they? |
ajority of .com players were too negligent of the opportunities available to them. CG
You have 10 CG points I have 600+ CG points, so I have a hard time accepting that my argument with facts and your reason to disregard them is based on me not playing CG?
The fact is that we had worse ratio for same kind of battle.
Easier to get higher wage here
Resources cost less.
Had better troop count
Special favourable fsp event on .com while almost non on .com
Also people playing on both servers said it was much easier to get better ratio on .ru and they have a noticeable higher average.
How you dismiss these arguments with me not playing enough CG is beyond my understanding. |
I think we can say safely competitiveness varies from person to person.
Perhaps some of us from .com maybe not so much competitive and this could be for good reasons like the absence of active players due to long periods
without updates/ events etc.
When updates and events came our way I know competitiveness always rose along with activity and such.
This does not change the fact that we would be stronger from the events if offered that .ru enjoyed.
Not asking for freebies here good grief if they will let us work for it we can show them we are competitive as they are :))
I would like to see something more done so that there is to be a opportunity for us to become more fsp balanced. |
LordNebiros92, abuse? I will remember you.
What, someone is abusing you?
"Yes, there is [a gap] ABUSE - but try to fix it yourself, do not hope for help from gods of this world :)"
":)" right? |
| Well the CG in .com was far better for me than here if we compare the population.we are 10 times more but cant see 10 times CG playing here. |
You can be "abandoned" and "negligent" at the same time. XD
you really understanding us? or making fun of us?
we are talking some serious issues.
TG gave worst exp ratio. more than 10K exp per fsp.
HG gave 7K exp per 0.5 fsp
most of MG gave gave 5K exp per 0.5 fsp.
min or max arts PvP gave worst ratio too.
only good options are CG & ambushing players.
if you still call LWM negligent, then, Grrr i dont want to use any harsh words.
yeah i forgot, ther are some loop holes to get good fsp too. intentionally losing in conspirators after 5 or 6 waves. intentionally taking low troops and losing in caravans etc... is this FUN? |
To move from words to action, we need a comparative table of the average fps values for each level on com and ru. Only this table can be an argument for all players, and perhaps for admins. For ru such table is ready (see reference in my message 61). Where similar table for com?
I don't think .com has such a table.
How about we see how much the average fsp values dropped due to the merge?
Compare Jan 22 values with Jan 24 values. If we can estimate the number of players that came with the merge, we should be able to calculate average fsp values of .com. |
Grusharaburas:You are too fixated with events. I did not become a better than average .ru player now by doing events. Let me reiterate what I'm trying to say: majority of .com players were too negligent of the opportunities available to them. CG was a dead guild despite the fact that it had the best FSP/XP ratio in the server. No one seemed to bother managing their HG and MG.
Please don't try to tell us that the world population in average is more stupid and lazy compared to Russians.
It isn't easy to do CG when you have to send 20 PMs and wait for hours. The ratio when doing an ambush was simply ridiculous. How do you "manage" HG and MG??
I have played at both servers and seen the difference. It was very easy to get twice the FSP ratio at the ru server compared to com. |
Sounds like Grusharaburas is just trolling.
For a correct analysis we need to know the average fps values for each level on com and ru.
+1 |
| it is very difficult to compete with these .ru people in tournaments coz of their fsl |
