| Author | Formation of an MC ethics council? |
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| I would be ready to participate in such a council, if it doesn't eat too much time. |
If there was a desire for a Military Clan "Ethics Committee" don't you think it would have been suggested before? I think the only reason it is being suggested now (by a non-MC clan-member) is simply the topic starter would not be bound by such ethical contstraints and could enjoy trying to provoke others to step outside the boundaries of their ethical constraints.
The inherent problem with any "ethics" that apply strictly to members of Military Clans is that any responsibility for a persons actions in a military Clan could be abrogated by the simple expedient of leaving the Military Clan. A concept you must be amply familiar with having done it so often.
If there were penalties that went significantly beyond simple expulsion from the MC, would anyone really want to bother joining a MC? Another unecessary way to be penalised, oh rapture and unfettered joy!
If there are rules and "ethical considerations" they should apply to all equally. Why the need to apply them strictly to military clans? Why not also make an "ethical committee" for regular clans? Why not make them for the Tavern Game? For Group Battles? Duels? Where will it end?
IMO, the admins have made their opinion on such things as "Ethics" in the game fairly clear.
7. Combat description is just a request not obligation. And thus transgressing the combat description is not a violation of game rules.
We've seen many instances of people posting battles with descriptions that are misleading and deceptive. Also there are players that join battles in ways that violate the combat description request. This is fairly obviously unethical. Yet the Admins have made it clear - it's not an obligation, otherwise it would be in the game rules. If there are any ethical considerations that the Admins are concerned with it will become part of the General Game Rules (see rules 3.26 to 3.29 as way of example). If the clans wish to impose additional restrictions upon their membership they have the means to do so. After all many clans (including military ones) do have their own "Codes of Conduct", even if they are not always strictly enforced. Why is it necessary to create a group to try and impose such restrictions on every military clan? Will it improve the game? Will it enhance the game experience for more players? I think not.
So why would it be necessary to create such a worthless entity, whose express purpose is that of placing an extra layer of beauracracy that really is not needed.
Grunge |
I think the only reason it is being suggested now (by a non-MC clan-member) is simply the topic starter would not be bound by such ethical contstraints and could enjoy trying to provoke others to step outside the boundaries of their ethical constraints.
Really Grunge? See below where I suggested a similar idea in the Review thread, made by Arctic. Try again son.
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1892187&page=2 |
@Grunge
What Modi said was:
I hope the MCs do decide to take advantage of this and make some guidelines during wars and events that all can follow.
Guidelines to which they are bound by word, not by rules added to the game.
No beauracracy needed.
Within the observance of the rules, all are free to assume restrictions to their own freedom if they feel that makes a statement about who they are and how they see their roles in this World.
NOT to allow such a committee to exist is to deprive MCs of the possibility of taking such a stand (if indeed some are willing to, and apparently the Warrior's Guild Wrath is, as posted by its Leader, so... just let them do it!!) |
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| I do not feel any offence about modi's request and as nuttela said, as long as it doesn't it too much time. |
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I don't see how you can logically debate this point
That if all mc are not abiding by the rules in this commitee then
whether bound or unbound by "rules" this puts those that abide by them
in a unfair advantage
allowing that in the future clans could win these events unfairly
could be those as well as those in these mc that would want to participate fairly feel they would have to to leave these mc to do so.
there are a few options of enforcement that could work
such as there can be advantanges or disadvantages to the mc that comply and don't or both
plus im sure arctic can be pretty "persuasive" when he want to be :))
I'm all for the evil villans roles in games too
i even have played a few myself sometimes ^-^
perhaps this commitee or admin can think up some ways that could allow some room for the evil clans to have fun while keeping the tournies results fair. |
So where was explanation showing that this thread is needed? I must have missed it?
It's already been suggested if the Admins care to act on it (link care of Modi in post # 43).
If the MC leaders care to act on it on their own behalf they are perfectly capable of doing so, you can even PM them if you like. Go for it!
Clan members, if you think such "ethical guidelines" are essential for your clan (military or not) then please, PM your leader.
GGF, really?
Grunge |
Here ya go Grunge. I hope this alleviates your concern about this thread's purpose. I'm sure it won't though and you will return with more critical commentary that we have come to expect from you, where ever I post.
Arctic
7 2011-01-07 03:32:13
Modi, I think it is pretty much close, although not exactly the same. The two MCs, EFL and WGW, tend to each other a lot, they BOTH (!) are calling themselves allied.
An ethical question can definitely be brought up here and discussed by the high rank MC officers, on whether or not such actions are ethically correct.
In fact, I think that gentlemanship between MCs and a fair competition is a very desired thing to see in the game, at least while the number of military clans isn't too high.
Can we now formulate some council of MCs to make rules of engagement or ethical guidelines? Please post comments and refrain from personal attacks.
This is a very sane and mature proposition and I'm wondering whether it really is possible and desired by the MC leaders.
If such a group is found necessary, and MCs appoint their envoys to such a council, I would provide an official clan led by Empire to host a meeting place for such a council, as well as a neutral place to host all the "gentleman agreements" the clan envoys would concede on. |
I'm a little unaware of this problem, correct me if I am wrong.
This problem could have happened in football. Suppose there are 10 great teams, from which two reached the final in the UEFA Champions League. Of course that, if the rules allowed it, these teams would have borrowed or bought some players for the other 8 teams (or from anyother teams or even players without a contract if they were good enough) to have an advantage in the final.
How did football prevent this? They allowed the transfers, but they didn't allow the transfered players to participate in the current event for their new team if they already participated for their former team.
This could also be implemented here and not as an ethical thing, but as a game feature for MC in order to prevent such complains, debates, ethic councils and so on. Players swtiching Military Clans while an event is taking place should only be allowed to represent their new Military Clan starting with the next event.
This way, they won't be forbbiden, neither by rules, nor by ethics, to change their Military Clan at any time, but they would be discouraged to do so. And MC leaders won't be motivated to borrow players for this purpose anymore.
I know it's not related to the "MC ethics council", but it is related to it's purpose. |
| Those wanting to should just probably form the comitee. Those not wanting should stay away. When clan wars come, it will all turn into one hilarious bloodshed between the self-righteous beurocrats and the rebellious fighters who think "all's fair in love and war". |
| closed by Modi (2011-01-07 15:37:02) |
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