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AuthorAnti Ap clan
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This clans only purpose is to try to have the admins remove the AP-rule they introduced (they could introduce enough moneygain-ways aswell, or do any other changes that make up for the permanent moneyloss).
Which is as follows:

Minimum Ammunition points required:
Combat level 5 – 5 AP
Combat level 6 – 6 AP
Combat level 7-8 – 8 AP
Combat level 9 and above – 9 AP

For an exact statement and some (side-)effects of this change you may read my personal info.

There will not be taxes (my brother has overtaken the entry fee for many :).
But due to moneyloss on our side we had to introduce the entry fee.

I would be pleased if you spread my intention and find additional members (there will be a reward of 500 gold for you, financed by my mini-arts if needed, so i can pay you).
For all members there is no need to quit the game, because some time until bankruptcy, or change of AP-rule, can always be "played".

If you agree with me join my clan (it costs nothing) and maybe we all together can make this game a better one :)

Thanks for reading, and try to have fun in this game,
I own you all :)


I have copied my personal info here:

Very interesting facts about the new AP-system (this is not a joke its calculated correctly):
Each fight costs me 879.6 gold MINIMUM. And how much do i gain in one hour? If i fight only ONCE and this fight is a hunt (hunts give me about 300 gold average), i lost 879.6, gained about 300 with hunt and 512.5 gold with work (if its maximum 205 base wage). Then I still LOST 67.1 gold!!
But: Of course i don't want just to fight ONCE an hour and of course i don't just want to fight HUNTS!
You can guess how much gold is lost by playing this game NORMAL, and not just doing only work hours and hours!
Just another sideeffect of this change is the reduction of hunt-helpers (too high costs).
If you are interested in changing that you can PM me and if there are enough people i will try to open an "Anti-AP"-Clan. Please try to spread this information. You may copy this text and modify with your special numbers.
P.S. (to the admins): If you think what i do is wrong, or you just can't follow my arguments, please PM me and we can talk, provided that i am still playing this game here sometimes (just blocking my character would be "quite" impolite).
Thanks for reading, and try to still have fun here,
I own you all

Another annotation: Even the hunt one does is lost if one has to do that doublehunt-stuff and "hunt" another players units alone aswell (MUCH too often these unwanted people go afk and take me MY hunt!).

My brother, in real life too, is Geht_sterben. We use the same internetconnection and same computer.
He is my enchanter (in future ^^) and i am his smith.

I can repair your arts for 30%!

send me the art with costs of one gold for one day and allow repair.
Then send me the needed gold for the repair.
You will get it back with 30% repaired.

I do not help anybody in hunts anymore (sorry people), but i will never do ask for assist myself, because sharing the few points one gets is stupid!
btw the leader is "I_own_you_all" i just made this for him
Pls join is awsome clan
join if you hate the ap rule
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"Very interesting facts about the new AP-system (this is not a joke its calculated correctly):
Each fight costs me 879.6 gold MINIMUM. And how much do i gain in one hour? If i fight only ONCE and this fight is a hunt (hunts give me about 300 gold average), i lost 879.6, gained about 300 with hunt and 512.5 gold with work (if its maximum 205 base wage). Then I still LOST 67.1 gold!!"

I am really interested in explanation of this math. It is a mistake or a simple LIE? 879,6. What arts are you using for battle? According to my calculations, if you are using any set of cheap arts like defender shield, leather armor, light axe, amulet of luck, etc., you can hardly pay more than 150 for each fight. 879,6?? What are you wearing mithril or what?
For example if you are using an expensive wizard variant. Combat staff + defender shield. Both 40 dur, and buy them from market for highest price. 11000 for combat staff + 4000 defender shield. It is 15 000/40 = 375 for each battle. And thats when you dont sell them with 0/40 durability. Perhaps send them to poor people in slums.. I bet I can get an art set for you under 150 gold per battle. If you want I can rent you one for 150 per battle and I will be happy to do it.
well a staff is about 8500 on the map the 9500 is including resourse so
about 4k plus 8.5k= 12500g/40= 312 a battle
which is still a pain in a butt for hunting and merc hoping to gett elements and hunters items,and duels,and groups battles u also get nothing but still do them
Yep and if you get about 2000 back for the shield and 4k-5k for the staff(not sure about the staff, using only shield), its not so cruel after all. And we are not talking about the cheapest axe+ leather+ medal of bravery variant. These are still of course money "thrown out of the window" but it wont ruin everyone as previously indicated. The most problematic issue about the new AP rule is the lack of defender shields and often some other arts.
i just want to ask :
Each fight costs me 879.6 gold MINIMUM
What arts did u use?

I use light axe, def shield, medal of bravery, and leather armour. These things cost me less than 100 gold.
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