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I reckon that there is an unfair fsp gap between us and .ru players. being fsp-9 at level 11, it was very common to see a lot of .ru　attendants of this tourney at fsp-9 but with fsp 3-4 for every other factions. Sadly as a .com player i have almost nothing for other factions except for 2 for Barbarians and in this sense i suffered great disadvantage against them.
Sorry but you are not .com player or 'us'
you are considered ru player.
hunt gives us 1 instead of 0.5 FSP
don't remind me of this please... | | 61: She (SwiftGirl) started playing after the merge and is certainly one of us. Her fsp is only slightly better than mine. | for Majblomma:
Exactly,she is not from old .com so there is no unfair fsp gap for her | | Lets have no fighting here , lets just post scores and have friendly chat .. we all are same community if we fight ourselves like this , then we stand no chance against.ru .. @karsol , yeah fsp gap is unfair i see level 10 players with 9 fsp and 3 or 4 fsp in other factions.. Those r monsters who are very much impossible to beat .. us whining is not going to change anything , so lets just speak about the result.. bro i understand your feelings.. but you know? lordswm changed. | That's why i made an honour point to always plays as free player, and refused all advantages i consider unfair like diamonds upgrades.
I understand that, but things are different here.
In old .com, not that many players got diamond upgrades (DU), so DU can be considered advantages.
However in the merged server, most PVP players got DU. I have played 16 MT battles at lvl 13 so far, and 13 of them got DU. So DU will no longer makes you in *advantage* anymore. DU is just to make sure that you are not at disadvantage... | for devin_2011:
yeah fsp gap is unfair i see level 10 players with 9 fsp and 3 or 4 fsp in other factions.. Those r monsters who are very much impossible to beat
I would like to differ:)
Its a lot about strategy too, I have beaten quite a few players in CG with way more fsp:)
also,K91(now on level 11) won medals on st's in level 9 without chiefs.
That's enough proof for .commies ability to beat them.
so lets just work on the strategy and find a way to beat then!
Keep the festive spirit high .commies! and do not quarrel :p | I reckon that there is an unfair fsp gap between us and .ru players. being fsp-9 at level 11, it was very common to see a lot of .ru　attendants of this tourney at fsp-9 but with fsp 3-4 for every other factions. Sadly as a .com player i have almost nothing for other factions except for 2 for Barbarians and in this sense i suffered great disadvantage against them.
There WAS a fsp gap between RU players and . COM players nearly a year ago, when we first merged.
If nowadays you're still behind with FSP than thats not amdmins mistake nor Russian players their mistake. Its you're own mistake.
As stated before, adminst introduced the the extra XP penalty AND the extra FSP bonus. This allows mainly us to get back to those giant Russian players. You've all had chances enough to close the gap, if its still there then its on you.
For example, when we came here after the merge, I was WAY behind average FSP for my level(still got screenshots), from the moment the new system arrived I instantly got more FSP per hunt (normal was 0.50, I got 0.70).
Now 1 year later I'm a few levels higher, I've done nearly 1500 thiefs/200 QT's and since last week for the first time I've reached the FSP limit(I'm at 6.5 MIL exp from leveling).
Wich means I'm getting extra XP because I'm above average FSP now.
My total FSP is about 13800, I'm at 2.4% extra XP and this keeps rising every singel day.
I used to be very bad for my level, now I'm the number 5 knight on my CL with the best FSP ratio. At this ratio I'll be near to FL 12 before getting Cl 16 (wich no other commie ever did).
I know A LOT of .com players who've did the same. In other words, untill some weeks ago the player with the highest FSP ratio among CL 15 was a .commie(!!!) who recently lvl to 16(he had about 17500 total fsp).
Even he had a bad ratio before. )
Everything is possible. Play smart and you'll close that gap faster then you could imagine. Thiefs and QT are the key to the best FSP ratio in game.
For thiefs you get about 2000-2500 per fsp. In QT's its about 2500/1 fsp.
I'm sure that if you do this for some weeks you're fsp ratio will increase fast.
Anyways, I'm not joining this MT, I had a bad result last time, I prefer FSP farming.
I hope to see .commies in the top players, lets show them that we can be beast too! | I'm sure that if you do this for some weeks you're fsp ratio will increase fast.
For different players, that amount of time varies by a lot. Not all players can play that often and can afford the artifact like you use.
Also, when the merge happens, you are at CL 12, so the fsp gap is relatively not too bad -- at most 1k or something around. However if someone was at CL 14 or even higher, this gap could be huge. Normally for .com top players it was 4k-5k or even more. There is no way you can catch up with that, even within a year. And guess what? when you spend so much extra time and money and effort then finally catch up with the gap, you'll find you are at such a high level already that very few people is playing CG.
That's a sad story for all .com high lvl players. There is NO solution. | I was 2 k below average, wich means the gap was huge when I got the FSP boost.
At the start of CL 14 I had about 4000 FSP. Now I've trippled it thanks to thiefs/QT's.
However if someone was at CL 14 or even higher, this gap could be huge. Normally for .com top players it was 4k-5k or even more. There is no way you can catch up with that, even within a year.
All I see in this topic are "low" levels complaining about the FSP gap, while they should have no problem catching up.
Normally for .com top players it was 4k-5k or even more.
A level 16 is considered high? I know some .commies with very good statistics even at that level. It all depends if you're willing to catch up by doing less HG/MG and do more TG/QT.
For different players, that amount of time varies by a lot. Not all players can play that often and can afford the artifact like you use.
You don't need good gear to thief, even mid app should be fine. If you play a lot of thiefs you'll notice that even losses give you a great fsp ratio.
For QT, you can always use regular MAX app, I've seen plenty of guys with normal (even mid) app win QT's. It all depends on how lucky you are with team members. I've won a few time's myself with some dude in min ap, he didn't do much but got a very nice fsp ratio..
you'll find you are at such a high level already that very few people is playing CG.
True, yet there are enough players looking for battle's at higher level, all you have to do do is find them.
That's a sad story for all .com high lvl players. There is NO solution.
True and not true. You can get better, yet indeed at higher level you might never catch up. Depends on what you consider as a "high" level.
Not many people realise it, but hunts and especially MG is very bad for you're ratio. Beside's Monsters/raids/easy hunts.
Its true that higher levels with high hunt level are in disadvantage because of this, but I rarely find a CL 16 + complaining about this.
Also a lot of players don't care about FSP, in a way they enjoy the game more then those who care about fsp. | I rarely find a CL 16 + complaining about this
Been a CL 16+ player before, I know a lot complaints about this. But what can we do? Someone moved on and gave up PVP, and someone like me abandoned the old account and started over or just switched to their .ru account. Really few .com PVP players (who were CL 15 before merge) rocks in PVP now.
I was 2 k below average
the average FSP of CL 12 is less than 2800. How could you be 2k below average...
I understand your point and acknowledge that you did very well, but don't sound like catching up FSP is easy. It is not. You either spend a lot money or a lot time and you still have to suffer a lot lose before you really catch up while at the same time others are enjoying this game.
It took you less than 9 months to jump from CL 12 to CL 15 and gained over 10K fsp, but not everyone can do that. | Everything is possible. Play smart and you'll close that gap faster then you could imagine. Thiefs and QT are the key to the best FSP ratio in game.
For thiefs you get about 2000-2500 per fsp. In QT's its about 2500/1 fsp.
It is much slower to catch up for high-level players than what you imagine. You got most of your exp after the merge which is at a good ratio of fsp/exp. Your current exp is 5 times of the exp at the merge time. How long will a high-level player (lvl 15 before merge) even double his exp? So it is a very different story. I was lvl 14 (very close to lvl 15) before merge and my exp/fsp ratio was 4100+ at that time. Now my ratio is below 3400. I think it has been improved a lot, but still is worse than almost all ru players who I met in CG or tournaments.
Thanks to the exp penalty system, I think I will close the gap finally. Hope I will not leave the game before that.
BTW, double check when you quote the numbers. For example, the exp/fsp ratio of thief guild for lvl 15 is not as good as you said.
untill some weeks ago the player with the highest FSP ratio among CL 15 was a .commie(!!!) who recently lvl to 16(he had about 17500 total fsp).
Just curious. Could you share his/her link? If he/she is at lvl 14 or above at the merge time, then it is very impressive! | | In addition, I don't understand why people criticize a lot when others complain about the fsp gap. The gap exists! It is always there and it is unfair for old .com players. The exp penalty helps but does not solve the problem. We have to work hard to close the gap, but we would have done better if there was no gap. | How long will a high-level player (lvl 15 before merge) even double his exp? So it is a very different story. I was lvl 14 (very close to lvl 15) before merge and my exp/fsp ratio was 4100+ at that time. Now my ratio is below 3400.
Well this proves my point, you're improving because those "monsters" can't get higher as they will level faster. Eventually you'll catch up and eventually you'll be a monster to. It will take long tho..
It is much slower to catch up for high-level players than what you imagine.
True, but we should make the best of it. 80% of the players that talk about the fsp gap are low level players (- CL 14).
They have no right to complain because they can catch up VERY easy..
Indeed, for higher levels it gets harder, I won't deny that.
Indeed, its not fair, but its how it is and how it will remain.
The system is there so that in the future all commies. will be as strong as "average". It may take a lot longer then normaly, but eventaully they'll get there..
In addition, I don't understand why people criticize a lot when others complain about the fsp gap. The gap exists! It is always there and it is unfair for old .com players. The exp penalty helps but does not solve the problem. We have to work hard to close the gap, but we would have done better if there was no gap.
Again, in all the topics I've been reading its 80% - CL 14's that are complaining. Higher levels have every right to complain because its much harder for them to get a better ratio..
BTW, double check when you quote the numbers. For example, the exp/fsp ratio of thief guild for lvl 15 is not as good as you said.
Don't know about you, but I get 5300 - 5500 XP at 2.1 - 2.2 fsp, so its 2500 - 2700 per fsp(check my thiefs)..
Just curious. Could you share his/her link? If he/she is at lvl 14 or above at the merge time, then it is very impressive!
I must dissapoint you, he was like most levels here, CL 11 when we got here;
https://www.lordswm.com/pl_info.php?id=4686746
Still its very impressive to see how far he got.
the average FSP of CL 12 is less than 2800. How could you be 2k below average...
I meant at the point that I reached CL 14, my bad. | Btw at SunnyDaisy, you're not below average, you are average.
Sum of fsp: 11143.82 74% Normal fsp!
Before you'll level, you'll reach 13.000 fsp(at this ratio), making you above average, so in fact you did better then you thought ;).
10.000 fsp total at the end of level 15 would make you below average, under 9000 would make you at the end of the fsp line(FSP boost).
Between 10.000 - 13.000 fsp at CL 15 you're considered average.
Above 13.900 you're considerd "above average"(EXP boost) and above 16.000 you get the name "monster"(EXTRA EXP boost). | for Arcanide:
I think she meant FSL 11 as "average" since nearly EVERYONE who plays PVP at CL 15 now has a FSL of 11, or even 11 with all 5+ anti-fsp
without reaching the FSL threshold, the total FSP is useless.
So back to the topic, I think the advised threshold for each CL that can make sure you are not at too much disadvantage in the minor tournament is:
CL 9: 7 with some anti
CL 10: 8 with some anti
CL 11: 9 or 8 with some anti
CL 12: 9 with some anti or 8 with 5+anti
CL 13: 10 or 9 with 5+ anti
CL 14: 10 with 5+anti anti or 11 (very hard, though)
CL 15: 11 with some anti
CL 16: 11 with 5+anti or 12
CL 17: 12 with 5+anti | I get 5300 - 5500 XP at 2.1 - 2.2 fsp, so its 2500 - 2700 per fsp(check my thiefs)
Mine is 5500 exp 1.9 fsp. Yes, your tg fsp is higher than mine, because you bring enchant with you and thus have more difficult caravan. For you, I guess 5500 exp and 2.2 fsp will give the correct ratio 2600+ exp/fsp. When you have only 5300, your caravan must kill themselves a little and you will get less fsp also. In such cases, I sometimes have got 1.6 fsp only.
Sum of fsp: 11143.82 74% Normal fsp!
my fsp is above average because my exp is already above average.
As I said, we would have done better if there was no gap.
I dont want to complain, because it wont help at all. But just be nice to people who are unhappy with this. It is not our fault to have such a stupid gap. | CL 15: 11 with some anti
You underestimated the cg players at cl 15.
11 with 5 anti is kind of standard. Some monster have all 6/7 anti. | As I said, we would have done better if there was no gap.
I dont want to complain, because it wont help at all. But just be nice to people who are unhappy with this. It is not our fault to have such a stupid gap.
I'm being nice to you guys as I searched the site's to check how you guys were at the moment!
As I said before, higher levels have every right to complain(like you guys), it would take to long for them to make the system work (fsp/xp boost).
But to see level 11/12/13's complain about the fsp gap...
We're commies, and as Arctic said in his intervieuw, we'll always be held back, simply because only Arctic care's enough about the old .com community.
I'm sure that if Arctic would have been AFK after the merge that there wouldn't have been a system, because to be honest, the admins wouldn't care about this gap.
I think everyone would like free fsp, only way I know to get that is to donate 1000's dollars and buy new chest of abunce with it for extra fsp :D. | Discuss your score, strategies and everything else related to the tourney here
9 Wins. 9 Loses
The man who praise his FSP and his auto-battle addictive friend's FSP forgot to post his score. | for liuker:
CL 12: 9 with some anti or 8 with 5+anti
when u say 5+anti, u mean anti in all factions, few factions, or total 5+anti in all factions?
CL 9: 7 with some anti
Could u be a little more specific, as to how much anti, as i am trying to prepare my char for the next Minor and Paired Tourny |
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