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If you ever were to answer/help/give opinion about this, please try to be mature and give reasons to your thinking:
So, in my last battle I went intentionally AFK for the first time ever in my battles. No Internet cut/loss, it was 100% intentional. I normally play these kind of games, but this time I got mad (No insults tho).
The thing is I created a GB with a specific AP rule, and the opponent didnt care and joined with Enchants.
Im guessing this happened to EVERYONE reading this and is one of the main reasons why you dont play GBs. It goes against the Honor/Moral/whatever of who does create the battle.
Anyway, the questions are:
- Is going intentionally AFK in this situation MORALLY good? And I say MORALLY since I DO know this is not allowed in the rules of the game.
- Would you have done the same? So that the other guy get's to lose the 4-5k Golds spend on that battle. I mean, if he doesnt accept the rules I put, Im gonna play dirtier and gonna AFK, plain and simple.
This thread is half whining and half need of somebody else's opinion. So thx in advance for your thoughts.
And if a Mod was ever to read this: Do what you think is right, I did what I thought was right.
PS: In case the answer is 'Dude thats what Enchants are for and exist' or 'You should know the risks of creating a GB', it means GBs are limited to whoever is richer right? Boring IMHO.
Gonna open a 'Allow to put AP limitations in GBs' thread in InS. Every single CL 12-13 guy I know and ask to participate in a GB I make always answers 'Sorry but dont wanna face Full AP Russians'.
PS2: I hope controversial topics are allowed and censorship doesnt mute ppl, this is not a dictatorship. (Im talking about Empire putting new Local Rules in every Forum of LWM btw). | short answer & solution: create a "gentlemen club" (guild) and invite people in when you want them to follow the rules. Then just create battles within that guild, no evil russian will be able to join.
No i never went intentionally Afk, because it's a game and a waste of time. But i haven't played GB for a moment, now. | Gonna open a 'Allow to put AP limitations in GBs' thread in InS.
Has been done a million times, don't waste your time on it.
Admins don't imply that rule so that only rich donors get to enjoy the game, and if that is morally fair then so is going afk in such conditions. | This is my first post on forum probably, just to say i wouldn't have done the same.
Because i dont have the guts you have.
I am sick of full ap+enchanted guys in min AP games, they just join them because they want to feel superior, i think writing anymore of my thoughts would be against the forum rules.
You know what is bad?
I started to do the same,little by little, i sometimes(hardly ever) join min ap games with like,lets say 25 Ap, i think "Hey someone with 50 Ap will join probably, dont want to risk my chances" | i dont have the guts you have.
i think writing anymore of my thoughts would be against the forum rules.
Lol who said? There is no such rule, you can say whatever you want as long as it is not offensive or inappropriate.
Yes, many people are being forced to play only PvE due to this... sometimes people join with full enchants and it is extremely annoying, but as I said, admins don't care and never will. Oh, let me correct myself, they would care only after the server population drops to its half again.
They made so many improvements after tons of players left the game, keep it up admins. And still some will say people like me or Ipsen or you, unnamedlord, complain too much, whereas this game is clearly wasting a ton of potential.
HOWEVER, there is no point in discussing this, and it is not because you would get banned(who cares anyway) but it is because it would be a pointless discussion. I have seen countless such topics coming and going once in a while, but do you think the admins ever even bother to look at the English forums? Why even waste your time then? | Yes, many people are being forced to play only PvE due to this...
Think again. There are ways to organize fair games if you really like to play PvP.
I don't like the main idea of the thread, by that i mean OP's concern about unfair group battles. Normal GBs are essentially free for all and to allow a player to limit how much ammunition is being used means it is no longer an open group battle (or free for all) anymore... If you are serious about playing GBs with strict rules then for that purpose you should consider forming/joining specific clan with people of similar intent (although i doubt many care about GB that much) instead of requesting changes in the system. | you should consider forming/joining specific clan with people of similar intent instead of requesting changes in the system.
I completely see your point and understand it, but the situation right now is all a race about who has the higher amount of money.
If you are rich and you dgaf about the rules for that battle, then you gonna win, easy as that.
The game is not about 'WHO IS MORE SKILLED' anymore regarding GBs, thats the point im focusing on.
But well, I guess it never was. | +
Please how many times per day/week do you GB? Please tell me (Question to everyone reading this).
Sometimes I dont see any English Speaker (By this I mean .Com players or Russian that knows English, which is rare) in DAYS in the GB section at CL 11-12-13.
I check the Combat log from random players of AnD and I dont see any Group battle in it. There must be a reason no?
And no, dont tell me 'Coz winning Exp in this game isnt too good'. Come on, you gonna tell me you care that much? LMAO!
I dont believe a high % of .Com players see more FUN in Hunts/MG than GBs... Sorry but I dont buy it.
If .Com players are around 5% of the total Community (I guess?), it means we are hundreds, but still I dont see any English speaker in GBs in weeks.
And I dont think Im overthinking things (It may seem), Im just trying to bring up an issue affecting everyone. | | Check out my combat log. Its been all PvP. | 9# You prove my point even more :)) All CGs
Right now the only thing you can do to play a FAIR battle is play CG, which for poor people is impossible.
Quoted from https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=2407578
Unless you have the money to spend 2-3K in a single battle (Which for me is a HUGE amount of Golds) you can never expect to be in a totally fair battle in which SKILL is INVOLVED.
Tl/Dr: The game right now is about who's richer as I said.
The only way to escape from that is CG and WG. The rest (GBs, TG Ambushes... EVEN HUNTS!!!) are all about if you have Golds. If you do you'll never ever lose. | +
Anyway, would appreciate if somebody would've done what I said I did in first post of this Thread. | | Well I'm not sure about the never lose ;) eventually, e.g TG caravans will get large enough to beat you. Anyways, I do agree it would be nice (and quite simple) to just add even a simple dropdown bar as another option with some AP ranges to help restrict who joins (just like the level dropdown bar). But yes, this has been suggested many times before without luck sadly. | I think you shouldn't have been afk. As far as I remember it's a punishable act and a person has been blocked in the past for doing that (Was it Chaerul?).
Besides, about the description, often people don't read that and there's a chance that some people don't even understand what you wrote.
CG was made for fair battles, so you should do them instead. If you want Min AP GBs, then you'd have to organize it with your friends, or join an existing min AP one. | i think main reason high level people left low ap GB is, it is not balanced at all, factions are close balanced when ap is more..since there are verity of arts which help each factions.
if you see most common faction is elf/DE/knight all of them(not for knight) are weak in low ap fight at high lvl.
big guys join also one factor why people left GB, but i guess above one is more, since high lvl people very much know there faction weakness | | russians never care about AP rules and always joined with enchants to min AP battle | | Some players frequently meet rude Russian players because they represent 95% of the game contras to .com(less than 5%?). Even I've met some .com players who thinks they're part of the privileged/entitled class, most Russians are nice and friendly or at least they try compared to .com ones where we always just use the words in battle chat as "english only, etc without even trying to use a translator (and even if it's broken russian so? They will understand part of it). | I check the Combat log from random players of AnD and I dont see any Group battle in it. There must be a reason no?
The reason is
1. No guild points
2. Bad exp fsp ratio
3. No armaments. | Unless you have the money to spend 2-3K in a single battle (Which for me is a HUGE amount of Golds) you can never expect to be in a totally fair battle in which SKILL is INVOLVED.
Which set costs you 2-3k lol?
Full set at lvl 12 hardly cost ~1.5k per battle.. by spending which you are getting good fsp/exp , aramements loot chnce , guild points , fun and don't forget the bonus after CG1 , 2 and so on.. | IMO admins won't introduce AP limits in GB because they encourage players to use more arts in battle.
Never rely on any rule (e.g. your own AP rule) without enforcement, especially in online games, simply because there is no punishment if you break it.
Yes CG is more expensive, but "fairness" is not free either. You pay extra money to get more fair battles, guild points, more fsp per battle (I am not even mentioning exp/ratio since you don't care). It's a trade-off. | Moraly, it's not worse than joining in full AP.
I remember before CG was implemented, a few friends created a GB clan; we would then wait for one team to be filled and only then join and fill the other team. Or create GB restricted to members of that clan. If you're alone, then fill last spot...
Granted though, min AP is terribly imbalanced and now that CG is a thing, I've never played GB since then. Once you've bought a full set, it barely takes 2/3 enrols per fight to pay for the set while on the long run, this is good for character building. |
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