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for Lawton:
oh I also forgot to mention that you've casted delay on the black dragon
what I mean is, try it again before you comment on the difficulty. It may seem impossible at first, but there is still a lot room for improvement. |
Each time the difficulty is random, and has no relation to the WG tasks you had finished, let alone the tasks other people had before.
Not a proper statement,difficulty does depend on quest finished by others.If a certain quest not done by same strength player it should not appear as far as guild description concerned.
10. All guild errands are accomplishable a posteriori (already completed at the given combat level with the given faction and class);
So if the above mentioned hunt not done by others at same level then it should not appear or the guild is broken.So the question would b whether this hunt done by a level 14 DE or not which I think is not easy to check ;) |
for Konan_D:
My speculation is that those WG difficulty is based on previous events since all quest types are from events this year, there is a big enough pool for admins to choose from.
You may not find someone who won a specific battle in WG, but that doesn't mean it has not been defeated by someone in previous events.
In the hunt events sometimes crazy people tried a lot attempts just to get one record, that's probably where those impossible hunts come from. |
| Now the WG database (including the hunting ones) only come from the events before WG appears, not from the WG task itself. |
Each time the difficulty is random, and has no relation to the WG tasks you had finished, let alone the tasks other people had before.
Not a proper statement,difficulty does depend on quest finished by others.If a certain quest not done by same strength player it should not appear as far as guild description concerned.
10. All guild errands are accomplishable a posteriori (already completed at the given combat level with the given faction and class);
So if the above mentioned hunt not done by others at same level then it should not appear or the guild is broken.So the question would b whether this hunt done by a level 14 DE or not which I think is not easy to check ;) |
@liuker, it has nothing to do with strategy and it's not a complaint when presenting facts. I just showed the absurdity of admins claim of 'the complexity of the quests has been reduced'.
Here is the other hunt I had:
It's again after the supposedly reduction:
2015-11-12 03:25: ° Lawton[14] vs Green dragons (91), Gargoyles (1477)
Before the reduction:
2015-10-23 00:26: ° ****[17] vs Green dragons (98), Gargoyles (1618)
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?warid=727341814
2015-09-09 10:21: ° ****[17] vs Green dragons (93), Gargoyles (1511)
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?warid=718314428
Name is blanked due to not being allowed to post russian names, but it's this char: https://www.lordswm.com/pl_info.php?id=3499943
Are you gonna tell me now that the faction elf, which gets used most in hunts, while also at combat level 17 has not been able to do better than a dark elf level 14 in the hunt event?
So none of those crazy people doing tons of attempts to get records have been able to do better at combat level 17 then at combat level 14? I find that very hard to believe.
@Erathia, you say: 'Now the WG database (including the hunting ones) only come from the events before WG appears, not from the WG task itself.' Without any proof this still remains speculation.
The more I check, the more I see that it doesn't even matter what faction you are or even what combat level you are. It looks like the admins have just lumped all levels 14-21 hunts together.
For even better comparison I checked the hunts of the 4 people that still have max WG points to date with mine.
As a level 14 getting more amount after the 'reduction' than level 17 and 18 before the reduction:
2015-11-08 04:45: ° Lawton[14] vs Elven bowmen (972), Vampires (583)
2015-09-12 01:33: ° ****[18] vs Elven bowmen (857), Vampires (513)
char: https://www.lordswm.com/pl_info.php?id=1852439
battle: https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?warid=718900381
2015-09-09 10:18: ° ****[17] vs Elven bowmen (611), Vampires (365)
char: https://www.lordswm.com/pl_info.php?id=3499943
battle: https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?warid=718314154
Even before the so-called reduction as a level 14 still getting more amount than a level 18:
2015-09-30 01:33: ° Lawton[14] vs Royal griffins (356), Swordsmen (369), Elite forest keepers (1249)
2015-10-18 00:17: ° ****[18] vs Royal griffins (355), Swordsmen (368), Elite forest keepers (1244)
char: https://www.lordswm.com/pl_info.php?id=1852439
battle: https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?warid=726147374
2015-10-03 00:11: ° ****[18] vs Royal griffins (337), Swordsmen (349), Elite forest keepers (1183)
char: https://www.lordswm.com/pl_info.php?id=1852439
battle: https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?warid=723224935
It's obvious that hunt quests for level 14-21 are all thrown in together leading to some being impossible at ones current level. |
for Lawton:
The example you have about lvl 17 elf's hunt easier than yours can't approve anything. Maybe you are getting the champion's difficulty and what he got is not even in top 3. Like Erathia said, only max difficulty is reduced |
for Lawton:
First,
lvl 17 player may face tasks with different difficulties.
the simple ones can be easier than yours.
You can imagine that somtimes a PhD also have to face the same problem e.g. 1+1=2, which a 7-year old child can solve easily.
Second,
If you have taken part in the event, you will know the truth.
http://www.heroeswm.ru/forum_messages.php?tid=2337167
In the event, you can choose differnt difficulties (100%, 110%...1000%, e.g.) as you wish. The basic difficulty is different for different levels and factions (classes), but maybe a level 14 dark elf succeeded in challenging 2000% (for example) of basic difficulty and made the record, deciding the maximum difficulty for lvl 14 dark elves in WG events.
The reducion of WG hunt tasks just means the reduction of the maximum difficulty |
| For example, the original difficulty is set to be randomly choosen from 1 to 10, the reduction made it to be from 1 to 9, but still random |
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?warid=732635835<=-1
When did holy knight get this type of crusaders?no favoured enemy for it either |
for Elvian:
They were already present in the survilurg TG battle from day 1 (or 2) itself. |
| What's a survilurg TG battle ? =) |
for Elvian:
It's just like a TG battle but the end reward was that you could exchange "coins" which you won from battles into survilurg arts, and if you see in MC deposition, there a few survilurg arts which you could rent and it was gotten from that event.
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=2364365&page=0 |
for Elvian:
This one:
https://www.lordswm.com/pl_warlog.php?id=912066&page=29 |
oh thanks a lot guys :)
but it's the first time i've seen them in WG :) |
@liuker, actually my presented examples are facts and proofs it all. All you are doing is coming with maybes and speculation, not a single fact.
And where did it say that only max difficulty got reduced? Go read the official announcement again, it clearly sais: 'Moreover, the complexity of the quests like "Battle against two or three creatures" has been reduced.'
@Erathia. Yes, a level 17 may face tasks with different difficulties. But however a level 14s difficulty should never surpass that of a level 17s. No matter who you would ask this to about any game, all would say that the difficulty would always be set higher for a level 17 than for a level 14, otherwise it would not make any sense and is a clear indication of it being broken.
Players randomr1 and _-_Kratos_-_ have pointed this out as well, so here it goes again: no matter which faction, a level 18 must be way stronger than a level 14, otherwise the factions are broke.
And Konan_D is right when he said that if the above mentioned hunt has not been done by others at same level then it should not appear or the guild is broken.
Either the hunt quests are still broken or I am right that the hunt quests for level 14-21 are all thrown in together. Possibly both. |
| Why all the tasks for high levels must be harder than the ones for low levels? The admins also have to consider the feelings for some weak players that have no ability to complete tasks with normal difficulty in their level. |
@Erathia, why? Because a higher level is way stronger than a lower level? Especially when it is 3-4 levels higher, otherwise what's the point?
I don't think you grasp the understanding of how the exact same quest of a level 14s difficulty should never surpass that of a level 17s. Let me put it this way, when a level 17-18 gets an easier version of the exact same quest than a level 14, that here shows it that it is indeed broken.
And by the way, those examples I provided were not from weak players, as I said they are from the 4 players that have been able to score max in watchers guild to date, as in they are the best in watchers guild.
And considering feelings of weak players? Please, a weak player would never reach level 17, let alone level 10. |
for Lawton:
Fine, I do have no solid proof of my speculation, so I can't convince you. No one could unless they can show you the original code of this game.
Maybe I am the real lucky one since I almost never got any impossible hunts while you keep getting them one after another. Or maybe tribal is the best of best factions in hunting. |
@liuker. When levels 17-18s are getting easier exact same quests than lower levels as 14s, then no one has to see the code to know that it is broken for this part.
And actually tribal seems to be the worse when it comes to hunting, the current hunting records speak for themselves:
Current hunting records ranked by factions
1 Elf 180 records
2 Knight 20 records
3 Necromancer 16 records
4 Wizard 8 records
5 Dark elf 5 records
6 Demon 2 records
7 Dwarf 1 record
Barbarian and tribal got zero records |
