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If you think this alt factions are weak then you're playing the game wrong.
Then you simply don't know how to play, easy as that.
I find the balance good, check any CG/GB, a furry barb with luck dominate's it.
Perhaps a bit less troops, yet I do not want to face boars/firebirds with 4 luck and offensive talents.
People like to whine, thats our nature. Now stop it and start playing.
You want more troops? Ok, I want them to have no luck. We have a deal?
End of discussion, there are no other arguments invallid. Admins did a great job creating this faction with an awesome storryline and a kickass event. | | I can't understand, if you find the new altz unbalanced why are you still a Fury Barb? | for arcanide:
i dont log in to this game to learn from others when to express/ when to stop.
anyway you are neither of the same faction or the combat level, so if you try to stop me from whining which is done for some reason valid to me, it doesn't mean anything to me... and still if you are willing to impose something.. find a barbarian to speak about the class and i might be able to learn from him how to play barbarian even after so much time i have played a barb.
Your views about the alt class are welcome in this thread and so are mine, lets not try to stop each other.
for elvish:
was trying 1v1 duels against different factions in different builds cuz every so often i am slightly convinced that non-barbarians players may have a point.. perhaps you do understand now? anyway i can't do much to make you understand nor is it in my list of priorities. | | Many people said tht the faction is balanced so those who r complaining surely dnt play with gd strategy...Admins know the actual powers of this class thts y troop count are less in some cases...If u ask me then i feel like both the class are balanced ones so i think admins have done a grt job.. :D | I totally agreed with Arcanide
Now Stop crying n try to improve ur strategy
N still if u dnt like those class then either be normal barbarian or simply change ur faction :) | | if admin will change recruitment balance,it must be very small possibly in low lvls like CL5-11. higher lvl most probably won't have any change.since higher lvl it looks very well balanced :) | I've seen enough barbs playing and enjoying this faction.
You didn't even try, you tried 4 battle's and started to whine thats it not good enough.
What did you expect? That you would have all those troops from the insight and all the talents you have now? Yeah sure, you wanted to have it all and to be the one that won 95% in CG/GB.. Well, where's the fun in that?
NO FACTION can win EVERY battle. Perhaps you should try more and find those factions that you're strong against. And now don't start with that crap that DD and dwarf win everything..
nd still if you are willing to impose something.. find a barbarian to speak about the class and i might be able to learn from him how to play barbarian even after so much time i have played a barb.
I know some barbs who tried to talk to you, all you had to say was negative, negative from the day the alts came out untill now.
My own brother contacted you to show you some good points about the new barbs, he said; "I just won against a CL 15 ELF, boars are amazing!"
You watched the battle (prob not the entire battle) and after 15 sec you said; "The elf did a wrong move with the unicorns, nothing special".
So I guess you never make mistake's in PVP?
Kunoichi tried again when he was in the same defense as you, his boars hitted with luck 3000(!!) damage WITHOUT any enchants. He was happy and eager to fight more and all you had to say was;"It was with luck, nothing special".
Well after that he tried one more time, you're ogre's were killing machine's in that battle, kunoichi said he wanted them to because they're really strong, you replied;"They're slow, don't have any use, can't tank and die fast".
These are ONLY 3 example's I'm gonna show you lol. I haven't seen you say 1 POSITIVE thing about any of the barb alts.
Well, kunoichi is tired of trying to convince you that barb isn't bad (Oh wait, you're gonna say now he's lower FL and not good enough to tell you things about barbs).
Well, I can say that Kunoichi is happy with the new alts, and so are many others. He's even getting used to his talents/setup and winning some thiefs now (wich he couldn't as a normal barb).
Perhaps you should play and practice more instead of focussing on the things you wanted. We ALL want the perfect faction that kills everyone. Perhaps you had you're hope's up to high, perhaps you need to play another game where you can be the best.
Anyhow, try it. Don't like it? Don't play it. I'm looking forward to the day that I'm gonne be a barb :). | I like this update, my opinion without playing pvp is that they are well balanced.
Shadow barbs lack of shooters but wow you can have lot of boars and birds, 21birds are tank enough to cast lot of dark spells, and ogres yo can recruit more than 60!.
About fury barbs, less troops than regular barb but with amazing talents and troops aren't bad at all.
Obviously you can't win against all factions but also not all factions can beat barbs, its the good point of all those alt upgrades, and will be better when admins add all alts factions. | higher levels are nearly perfectly balanced and so are lower level shadow
but fury barbs from level 5-10(/11) need a little balancing imo
oh I forgot to mention that shadow do not have weakness and confusion as hero spells,i want them:p | The only weird thing i see is dark barb doesn't have mg 3
since they don't have shooters,confusion is the way to go for them | | yes, perhaps combat/magic school 3 may be introduced to balance? | Shadow troops may be considered balanced, even if the recruit count of ogres is too high and of orcs is too low.
Fury needs to be balanced absolutely!
MAXIMAL recruit count of all troops is:
GoA 220, BoR 82, OrT 36, OgTH 18, Ro 13, Cy 4.
Exception made for GoA and BoR (even if recruiting one makes decrease significantly the other and it's fair), the maximal count of every other single troop is too low.
Some examples of recruitable armies:
GoA 20, BoR 82, OrT 36, OgTH 18, Ro 10, Cy 3 (Max boar, max orcs, max ogres)
or
GoA 220, BoR 6, OrT 36, OgTH 18, Ro 11, Cy 3 (Max Goa, Max orcs, Max ogres)
or
GoA 1, BoR 82, OrT 23, OgTH 15, Ro 13, Cy 4 (Max Cy, Max Ro, Max BoR)
You always have to recruit few of this and few of that, but you can't have stacks that can be considered a good (xxception made for GoA and BoR).
Probably, if they increase the maximal recruit count of OrT, OgTH, Ro and Cy, we will have something more playable.
In my opinion, MAXIMAL recruitable count of every single troops should be:
Goa 220, BoR 82, OrT 55, OgTH 23, Ro 15, Cy 6
And possible armies could be (based on normal barbarian recruits):
GoA 0, BoR 82, OrT 50, OgTH 0, Ro 15, Cy 6;
GoA 220, BoR 0, OrT 55, OgTH 23, Ro 7, Cy 6;
Goa 0, BoR 0, OrT 50, OgTH 23, Ro 15, 6 Cy.
This is my opinion. Fury altgrades are a lot of similar to normal upgrades, but the number has been lowered too much, I don't understand why. Tribal spirit helps, I know, but it's not a good motivation to decrease so much the recruit counts.
I will continue playing my old classic barbarian, it's still good. | for arcanide, perhaps you are right but i dont see why we should continue going against each other in this thread. But anyway since you have brought personal things in here, i could try to clear the reasons-
When kunoichi played a defense with me, he said the fury alt was really bad and that it had bad recruiting.. and i agreed. The thing about 3k damage on berserkers on a lucky strike - he said first that it was no big deal as berserkers would die anyway.. and yes, i agreed again because infact a full stack of wolves would have dealt about 2k damage in the first hit with luck and that would kill berserkers and leave 2 strikes (overkill anyway)
and then he PM'ed me that there will be balancing definitely, not to worry) i had or have no reason to worry, as i can play classic barb all the time - absolutely love it and it feels like a complete army to me when i am done recruiting.
Anyway this is the game he played -
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?warid=574707266
as you can see unis didnt have to go to the other side of birds and kill them just to go in full stack of boar' range, i pointd that out.. abby lost almost all unis with very low output when actually he had 17 which might be max uni build although i am not sure.
Still in my PM i said - nice game after pointing out 1 mistake.
Ofcourse i make mistakes in PvP, and i would definitely hit birds with unicorns aswell, but when there is a way to stay out of the boar range - i'd do that.
anyway if kunochi had less shooter - more melee unit build the game would be like this -
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?warid=574788159
The thing about DD is not crap, if you play shadow there isnt a single way to kill vermins/temptress due to no shooter/fast troop or high speed troop.. and i need not explain how horrible it gets then)
And the most important thing -
since i couldnot play against all factions in all possible builds i asked some russians in their forum about what they thought of the alt classes, and you'd be surprised to see that around 90 - 95% definitely agree on fury balancing and most do say yes for shadow too. Simple go through this when you have time
http://www.heroeswm.ru/forum_messages.php?tid=508247&page=5115 | nice fight between shadow and fury barbarian:)
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?warid=575079409 | IMO-
Shadow
Not good enough(I want good as I am barbarian :P )-But Acceptable
Fury
Not good (It was leading to bad with recruit)- Need balance especially for low level.
recruit
Fury
Need to update maximal units esp for Orcs +Ogre - and a little in total.
Shadow
Supposed to get some more range(they actually need some few more orcs and *reduce boars*)
Talents
Fury
Supposed to be defensive on the ground of admin's saying (Defensive)
All I see is offensive talent is highly good for fury but not def:
Shadow
Just put a MG 3 :D
Central Talents
Fury
Instead of reducing spirit use to dampened - get reduce damage dampened to double or 180%
Shadow
Let it be | Updated
https://www.lordswm.com/help.php?section=38 | for virtual_vitrea and debaters upper:
fury barbs sucks in pvp, but good (although maybe not always better than normal bb) in most pve battles, especially survival tournaments.
shadow barbs are excellent in pvp (a little like dark demons but maybe not as omni-hand as them), but sucks in pve.
this is for high levels (lv14+). | | just rebalance the recruit,it very low at my lvl. | I tried st with all possible combinations in ST level 10
max boars+tyrants,max archers+tyrants,but am just not able to beat my blind score from classic
I believe that some balancing is supposed to be don cause fury are too weak right now | And possible armies could be (based on normal barbarian recruits):
GoA 0, BoR 82, OrT 50, OgTH 0, Ro 15, Cy 6;
GoA 220, BoR 0, OrT 55, OgTH 23, Ro 7, Cy 6;
Goa 0, BoR 0, OrT 50, OgTH 23, Ro 15, 6 Cy.
This is my opinion. Fury altgrades are a lot of similar to normal upgrades, but the number has been lowered too much, I don't understand why. Tribal spirit helps, I know, but it's not a good motivation to decrease so much the recruit counts.
For Hyran : among your possible army setup,look at the second, A deadly combination for all might factions. three max shooter stack
admin will never allow a fury select max shooter stack in same time.
Fury altgrades are a lot of similar to normal upgrades, but the number has been lowered too much, I don't understand why. oh come on now you know why they give such a weird recruiting. |
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