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Hi all,
I came across this thread in the "Combat Problem" and found the cheat very efficient and hard to prove.
http://www.heroeswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1834102
Since King-Slayer's explanations aren't very clear, let me rephrase the staged battle strategy (SBS) here:
A number of players set up a 3-3 battle, the "active" ones in one team, and a single one in the "traitor" in another. Then, they wait for suckers to join and complete the battle roster.
Once the battle starts, the "traitor" plays awfully or even goes AFK. So the 3-3 battle in fact becomes more of a 3-2, ensuring that the traitor and his team loses. Players in the "active" team receive plenty of experience at the expense of unaware players that joined the side of the "traitor".
Con players may do that as often as they want, switching roles from one battle to another to ensure everyone earns his share of experience. The advantage is obvious: if two people apply this strategy, they ensure a 50% victory ratio. If they are four (the best number) they ensure them a 75% victory ratio.
It's a very efficient trick and administration is powerless to stop it - you can't really be sure that a player loses on purpose or just played bad. Even random group battles may be staged, as long as the group of cheaters decides that if only one of them is on one side he'll become the traitor.
It's possible to set-up a staged 2-2 battle but benefits are lower.
Now, everyone is aware of the problem. And don't tell me it doesn't exist. | i think i just found myself in something like that, with a necro never attacking and letting us be defeated easily... the funniest thing is that the creatore of the battle had invited everyone to equip artifacts, so that we all could get more exp....
funny, isn't it?
by my side, as i saw written, i won't join another battle if i see the "traitor" in it, and probably i'll avoid even to fight those in the winning team, even if maybe they are not guilty... | there is no way to avoid such thing. This whole game system is way too flawed. I wud very mcuh prefer if this game is built towards the direction of actual HOMM standard. Where you have a castle and you build ur troops and you LOSE troops when they die. Maybe not all. Maybe 10-20%.
But well that design is too far fetched. Well... i don't think there's a way to avoid staged player.. ESPECAILLY if you're the one that host the battle. You don't get to choose.. If you host a battle. traitor joins.. it has to start. | in my opinion there will be cheaters and immoral people anywhere you go. not all of us playing the game are scammers and cheaters. the majority of us want to enjoy a fair fight where intelligence, skill, and strategy determine the winner, but the fact of the matter is that we won't always get to. it sucks, but it's just the way things are. by making "everyone aware of the problem" you're just setting things up for more people to cheat. there are many people that probably had no clue they could do this, but now they do. by posting that a cheat that is hard/impossible to detect, you're opening up the door for more people to cheat, and thus making the game less fun for the majority that wish to enjoy the game.
next time please don't post cheats, message a mod or something. | I much prefer this to HoMM for online play, since time would become too large a factor otherwise (in that you can just amass troops for a long time).
However, I've also experienced this from time to time, and therefore prefer duels. If duels became something of a focus, maybe some tournaments, leagues, etc could be setup to make them more interesting. | 4. You are right... To a point. There are some people who will attempt this cheat now they know it (note that I didn't invented it, it was posted here by King-Slayer and maybe it has existed on the .ru server for a while...) but I felt necessary to INFORM people so at least players will be able to detect it.
I've had more than my share of lost battles at level 5 because of weak teammates and I don't buy the "weak player" explanation *at all*. Some people can make poor choices sometimes but playing so badly that what I have seen sometimes really couldn't be explained... Until I understood the concept of staged battle.
If it ever happens again to me I'll carefully investigate players involved, believe me.
Contrarily to what you claim, there are ways to overcome this problem. You can fight in duels. You can fight in Blind battles. But I also hope that admins will extend the blind battle concept to more than just free-for-all. | i encounter such incident. But i think mine was worst. It was not a random battle. 2 vs 2. when i joined there were 1 player on both sides. I decided to join the first team. When game started, the player on the second team (blue) volleyed his teammate. I laughed because i thought it was a mistake. Then my teammate says, "dont attack the knight, he's my friend"
I forgot the name of the chars. If you give me reward i'll search my log for it. :P
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3k gold will do
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Im such a cheap guy. lol | im such a good guy. :P here it is:
http://www.heroeswm.com/warlog.php?lt=-1&warid=936513 | Like I mentioned on another post, maybe we can make a list of those cheaters
So people will avoid them while playing | | Well, it seems more like a mistake. And you won the battle. |
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