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for CGSMCMLXXV:
I don't ask for gold. Funny how you thought otherwise. Asking for gold (as in begging) is against game rules, but what you wrote in post 1 is pretty much "Stop shareing ppl!" And I'd like to know - what's wrong with that? |
There are very few cases in which you have to wear artifacts as assistant.
i disagree... well as you gain levels and get nothing but red ! hunts, most hunts need arts from both the parties otherwise it is near impossible...
also necros don't get skeles for all hunts (undead, mechanical, elemental) and often the number of skeles lost is more than the number gained...
Should he ask for a recompense for fighting alone
i know people who give compensation for going afk or losing a hunt... IMO it is a very just and honorable thing to do and in no way is it being greedy or begging. |
for Shebali:
Yes, you are right in my message from this topic. What's wrong with that? Well, there is one main reason I would like to post here: paying the assistant will encourage the opportunists to ask again. Refusing to pay the assistant will discourage them and your loss is one assistant less in your hunt. Don't worry, there are many others to assist you. |
well as you gain levels and get nothing but red ! hunts, most hunts need arts from both the parties otherwise it is near impossible...
Yeah but he's level 5 so he probably hasn't experienced getting red! hunts nearly most of the time :)
for CGSMCMLXXV:
I have to agree with Shebali and gurumao here. There is absolutely nothing greedy about any of this. I really just don't see why you want to not encourage it? Is it really making any serious negative impact on the game?
To me, it's a matter of personal choice whether you want to share or not. I only usually share with those I know in game a bit or hunt together regualry with. My reason for it is simply that I appreciate someone willing to help me often and knowing them a bit means I can actually rely of them. Having said that, I do agree with you that the sp, chance to loot arts etc usually should be incentive enough for people. |
for CGSMCMLXXV:
But I have no problem with people -asking- gold. Why? Because
1. I hunt alone from 4th lvl or so
2. When I called for help I always shared, without the other party asking or checking their logs.
3. No one can -make- you, or me, send them gold. If they try to - send them a link to general game rules.
Either way, I think I'll deside myself to share or not.
P.S. Never afked on hunt, so have nothing to apologized for. Used to send gold if we lost a hunt though, if I felt it was my fault.
Also, as a Necromancer: 0 (0.00) +20.0 what do you know about necro gaining/loosing skells? |
for gurumao:
How many "red hunts" did you get by now? And how many were actually impossible for two hunters? Just check the top hunters and you will see how impossible it is to kill your own hunts. All you need it is experience as a player for the most of the hunts.
And, yes, I got also the full "appreciation" for fighting alone in a hunt, and I would have accepted it if the person wouldn't explain immediately what happened. Before the fight was over, I got two messages from the player with apologies and explanations. So, I considered he was true enough in his words (taking into consideration that also a friend of him who watched the hunt told me about his network problem) and I didn't accept that "appreciation". You can consider me (and, actually, that is how I am considered by many who read this post) stupid. I don't take any offense from it just because I am not an opportunist. |
he just wants to take all hunt assistance for himself because he doesnt need gold
So he wants to discourage people to pay money to the one that assists, in the hope that less people are willing to assist in hunts, so he can do more hunt assists.....
Am i right ? |
| Please, don't get me wrong. I haven't started this post with the idea to impose my opinion. It's a free world, you can chose for yourself what you want to do with your goods. I am just annoyed by the attitude of asking for money. And I am not alone in this. This post is for people who share the same idea about that for them to see they are not alone. Many of them consider that if they don't pay they will not get assistance in hunt. That is wrong and that's why I initiated this post. |
How many "red hunts" did you get by now?
well if you did bother looking at my profile, you will see that i have easily done 1500+ hunts and towards the end of lv 6 almost all my hunts were red! . and if you look through the necro records you will find that quite a few of them are above the necro record in the respective levels.
And how many were actually impossible for two hunters? - i never said that they were impossible i said they were near impossible without arts... the records hunts are mostly done with full arts which costs a ton ( specially ring of doubts)
All you need it is experience as a player for the most of the hunts. well i never said that i was the best necro around... |
for CGSMCMLXXV:
Well I personally don't consider you stupid (nor anyone else posting here, just to be clear) but I do think this discussion is kinda getting ridiculous. I really don't see what's there to argue so much about...it has been established that hunt+sharing money is a personal choice and that nothing we say here is going to change what people will want to do.
How many "red hunts" did you get by now?
Actually quite a few. We're regualar hunting partners and I know some of the hunts have been sort of difficult for both of us and few arts were needed to complete them. The hunts DO get harder as you level up and it is at times impossible to beat them with no arts.
for SuperSheep:
he just wants to take all hunt assistance for himself because he doesnt need gold
This is really stupid. As much as I disagree with the thread starters statements about sharing hunt money is bad, I don't think he's doing it so he can steal all the assists for himself. I mean if that's what he wanted, a forum post to convince people is an extremely silly way of going about it because it will never work. |
Good topic,
though i wish people were more encouraged to share EVEN with STRANGERS who perform well during an assist.
'Nothin wrong with scratching others backs. may even make a friendship from the deal.
When an assister helps grant me EXP, and saves me time by offering an alternative to suiciding on a monster group,
then i still believe cash is a great way to compensate.
a good deed and attitude are as contageous as a foul deed, think about it |
for Ortan:
As I said before, gratitude is a nice trait if it comes from the hunter's own initiative. I am not against being grateful. Anyway, you can show your gratitude by helping the others in hunts. Gratitude doesn't mean necessary money or goods. And, sorry for repeating myself, this post is for people who obey this rule of sharing half of the earn by being asked for doing it. |
for CGSMCMLXXV:
There's no rule! People beg gold from you? Blacklist them and they won't flood your mail anymore.
It's like Zyanya said:
I really don't see what's there to argue so much about... it has been established that hunt+sharing money is a personal choice and that nothing we say here is going to change what people will want to do.
Yes, you can show your gratitude by helping the others in hunts
Or you can do it by sending gold. Who's to say which one is better? |
Even on high levels the loot hardly exceeds 300 gold, so sharing is more a token of appreciation than anything else, as is a sincere ‘thank you’, which will certainly suffice for me.
If someone’s asking for a share in an appropriate manner, I won’t deny this, since the amount is too small to actually bother. |
Rawr all pile on CGSMCMLXXV!!1
looks like we made some good points. i'll add that many people are able to build their castles with aid cash. |
One thing is for sure if i ever get asked for gold or treated in a non polite way that person goes in my blacklist.
To give you one example, one time I help in this hunt and this dude takes forever to start his hunt...so i open another window whilst waiting and when i come back after one minute instead of him saying "hello and thanks for joining the hunt" or "hi thnks" as most of us do his first words were "move it mate" so i promptly help him finish the hunt without communicating with him even once and after that he was promptly entered in my list of people never to help again... same with beggars, idiots, spoiled brats etc etc etc you get the idea...
thank God for the time at least its only a very short list... |
As we all will reach lvl 5 the games put`s us in position to wear artifacts at hunting. If I`m helping the Hunter I`m killing as much as it is sufficient to let the hunter act by himself. And guess what most of the playas whom I help sent me money althought they didn`t sent to no one else before, just because I was nice and really helped them.
I didn`t join for the Hunter artifacts cause they are cheap and don`t play a major role in my character life.
I didn`t join to gain faction point`s cause If I want to gain them there are a some other ways to do it not involving over players.
I joined to HELP and I kill as much as it is sufficient and for this I`m rewarded (for being a helper).
And till lvl 5 it`s a bad tone to ask money for helping. |
OK! I listened some points and I will leave this post open for a day or so for those who have something extra to say. My point with this topic was reached.
I thank you all (pro or contra) for getting involved in this discussion and I wish you all good luck in hunting with or without assistance. I will always help whoever needs my help in hunting and I will never ask for anything considering that the game is rewarding me enough.
All the best to all! |
Dunno about that last, I think when they moved servers the hunts got harder. Certainly hunts get harder as characters grow, but I started an alt and found that his hunts at low levels were way harder, red far more often than my primary's. Anyway, that's another story.
I usually send about 1/3 of the money I get from a hunt to an assistant. I wouldn't give more, esp as I'm too small still for merc or thief quests, and labouring and hunting are still pretty much the only ways to make money. So far hunts are fairly easy with assists (only lvl 5 now), but having that assist means I don't lose all my army, means I can go fight a battle soon afterwards, means I get some skill points and maybe an artifact, and lot lose a heap of artifact points for 0.1 skill point for a loss.
And I just think that 0.25 skill points for assisting is really very low; it takes a long time to level up at that rate, and so giving a bit of cash says thankyou and is a nice gesture. As such, it should be encouraged.
But asking for money, demanding money, is a different story. It seems rude. Help and help alike, we all need it. |
esp as I'm too small still for merc or thief quest
You can do merc quests at level 5. |
