| Author | MARKET - Please modify a rules |
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I think this is unfair to bid price with two chars on one section. This is a manipulation and block other players. Allowed by rules, but not fair.
This is not fair and player with one character is sufferer... |
| Topic moved from "General game forum" to "Ideas and suggestions". |
Not sure, if I understand you correctly. Do you mean that the same person bids on an auction with different chars? That's forbidden already.
3.12. Bidding at the same auction lot is considered financial assist and, therefore, is also forbidden. |
Playing at market is tough. If you're good - you'll manage it. If not - no rules will help you. Best traders I know have 1 char only - and they don't complain, they are too busy making gold for it :P
See no reason for rule modification. |
for Naargi:
No, he means two chars of same person selling same items. He thinks it's unfair. |
| hehe, i'm one of that "unfair traders". i didn't even try to put up a monopoly, but you can look at my transfer logs: it doesn't work and to make it work you probably have to invest a lot of time watching the market. |
No, he means two chars of same person selling same items.
if this is what he mean, then i don't see any problem. 2 chars can't monopolize whole market. so many other ppl that can sell the same thing, not only 2. If i want to, i can also sell what those 2 chars sell. so, whats the 'unfair' thing? |
| The unfair thing might be that he has 6 lots instead of 3, so if he concentrates on one item, he can be always on TOP of the cheapest list...altough, he cant have 3 items of all kinds with two chars, there is a lot of place for all the scamers, not to be jealous about any particular one. :-D |
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And that leads to market price manipulation. Two players don't make a difference. I beg to differ. six slots, six different prices. In addition, if all that player's accounts have deep pockets, he/she can start price manipulation of arts easily, esp hunter and thief arts, as these can't be purchased. Furthermore, your multis are effectively you, the main player. Why do you not consider it unfair for 'you' to have six slots? |
| let me remind you that theif arts can not be bought or sold by extra characters... as for hunter arts... those would be hard to monopolize as there are so many of them. |
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in theory you are right. but it doesn't make a huge difference if you have 6 slots or 3 slots. other traders will compete with you and prices go down and down. at the end you make 1 gold per item you've sold. poor profit for watching the market every 30 minutes and put up new, cheaper lots. if someone want to spend his free time in such a boring and lame way: why not let him do it?
in this case litwin is complaining i put up 3 chain helmets with my multi for each 5,999 gold for 3 days. not one was sold. my main put up 1 chain helmet for 500 gold less, it wasn't sold. so where is the big advantage?
@9: i didn't want to start a monopoly or price manipulation and if i did want, this would be a really bad way to do it, do you agree? i put up some lots with my multi to check how chain helmet selling works. my main bought one to enroll, so this was more accident then manipulation. |
First: sorry for my english, i learn it myself.
Second: sorry for capitalization
Third: sorry for late answer, but admin blocked me from forum posting.
3.9. Additional characters created for any kind of support to the main one (...), (e.g. (...) TRADING, assists in combat or enrollment) are forbidden.
- multi-trading is support main character. This char, as i think is not directly created for this, but...
- i know that sales, transfer etc. between same player chars is strictly forbidden.
- multi-trading can fight with me with post your offert when i post my - always put me down in list, block me and prevent for sale.
- DON'T paste my transfer logs - yes, im selling a lot sometime - Why? I almost all time online, i check market in 10-15m interval, sometime faster. And i watching it - only with this
- DON'T put a explanation like LordSchniesel "i put one offert" - if i put one offert on three days, i get same effect as you. So this is a missed explanation. Only active and "agressive" (with rapid reactions) politics on market guarantee profit sometime... - i use this tactics to take advantage. And all people can do it. This is normal and fair-play. Same rules for everyone. This is depend only on free time what you have, what you sacrifice to this...
3.10 (...) Additional character MUST BE COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT; remember, that multichars created for financial profiting of the main character in any way are blocked without hesitation.
- multi-trading SUPPORT main character. Why ? Whem i post a offer, other player beat me. It's normal. But show me situation where other (MUST play as COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT - written in game rules) multi post offer after offer - NEEEEVEEERR. So - rules of game is breaked. This situation i see only one time - when main character going offline - we see than main and support char will post offer-by-offer. See market on midnight - this a lot of this.
- multi-trading support money gain for main character, or other chars. Like upper example. It's a little difference - i sold or sold my support chars. ALWAYS ME, not YOU gain profit. Other characters, but STILL ME. Nobody else - me. You use manipulation of other owned figure to gain profit. This is unfair.
3.11. ANY TRANSFERS, (including those through the market or through a third party), combats (including those with other players involved) and "Two Towers" games between multiple characters of one person are prohibited.
- ANY TRANSFER, ANY SOLD, ANY BUY is PROHIBITED between multi chars. LordSchniesel and many, many others with MULTI i fight on market have in their logs transfers or buing between characters. I DON'T RAISE THIS PROBLEM. In this topics i fight only with multi-selling.
- depend on this. You say no rules are broken. Character number 1 usign "dominating" on market sell items. You say all is ok. One week later i see that person transfer that item between multis - i don't see on price (maybe its a market price on that time? - who know? - trivial) - one week ago you used multi-trading to sell this item, and now you realise that transaction what win in this time.
3.12. Bidding at the same auction lot is considered financial assist and, therefore, is also forbidden.
- multi-trading is bidding a this player offert and working as financial assist. Is forbidden. As i written on 3.10 - they are not independent. They cooperating. They never fight between them. They fight with me. THEY ARE NOT INDEPENDENT. |
in this case litwin is complaining i put up 3 chain helmets with my multi for each 5,999 gold for 3 days. not one was sold. my main put up 1 chain helmet for 500 gold less, it wasn't sold. so where is the big advantage?
In essence, you're using your multis to promote the sale of your main's chain helmet? How is that considered independance? |
Promote to sale anything, and unfair block others.
Player will need same chance with one or three characters.
Game rules need to be equal to person who play one or three characters.
In game rules are not written than i need more than one characters to normally use a market.
Other my characters MUST BE COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT (game rule 3.10) - they never fight between us. |
By the way: i think posting offer in other sections is ok.
Only posting in same section by different multis need to be forbidden. |
| @13 lol, i haven't seen this like this before. in fact i promote all other chain helmets that are cheaper than my multis' ones, right? |
Hmmm this is complicated.
- Everytime only one offert left on the market, this a time to sold it on your price. Everyone will see this, put own offer - in mostly situations will downgrade their price...
- everytime this price is "reset" to your level and one person put new offer, price is going down.
SUM: this no matter - this subject is not raised in this topic. |
SUM: this no matter - this subject is not raised in this topic.
Thi is what raised the topic itself, no? :) |
Illegal use of other characters in same section on market (3.10 of game rules) that making a advantage of one player. That meaning support characters not live own, independent life and has been used to gain advantage to other characters owned by same person.
Hmmm - i think this will explain you:
- "more have 2 dice throw - but i only one"
- and second - YOU NEVER fight (on market) with owned characters - like i fight with other players. This possibility explain why we need to block this possibility. They are never independent, command by one person always is steer to gain profit to other char of this player. "Now this is like incest". |
