| Author | inadequate behaviour of some players |
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Hi all,
I was trying to find a forum section where I could post the following message and Pang suggested this section.
Well, there is a while since I already explained that I and my girlfriend aren't the same person and I gave even examples how can someone check the veridicity of my words (Haran knows personaly my girlfriend, Acolyte and MassMacros speak almost the same language with her which I don't understand it - see combats -, koko_alex and I speak the same language and he spoke with her in English, we are playing also from our job locations in the same time and they aren't the same location and so on). Still, Omega22 is continuing to call my girlfriend's account my multi (which implies we lie). I don't know how other feel about that, but for us that's an insult. Also, I explained that Anita2008 is not supporting my smith by paying 100% from the repairing cost because I am her boyfriend, but because she supports the clan smithing as some other members when they can. Still, many players considered that cheating (as far as I know, that is incorrect because there is no rule against a clan to support its own smith or whatever else) accusing me publicly, but not posting in the correct forum section (CaA) where they (e.g., Grunge) are not allowed to be uncivilized (e.g., Xerfer calling my girlfriend an "idiot").
Is there anyway to solve this problem excepting me to stay away from the forum?
Thanks,
CGSMCMLXXV |
Well there is no easy answer for that because u must c other side of the coin too. Every can start another character then claim its her mom,girlfriend,sister,brother etc. (in fact many players already doing it)
Only suggestion i can give is if ur girlfriend is ready to pay 100% price for repair is to find a better blacksmith. For 100% repair cost she can get 80%-90% repair easily. |
| Please, if you don't have a real solution, don't post here. Write me via pm your off-topic comments. |
Can you please provide an example of my "uncivilized" behaviour?
Just for the record, the story of you and Anita2008 is almost identical to that of the characters Commander and Gefesst. The admins decided that this behaviour was against the rules.
If you wish to avoid the appearance of Anita2008 being a Support Character then that character should no longer pay for any repairs done by you, having already paid for the repairs already received 4 times over. In essence Anita2008 has paid for almost all of your smithing skill (in the same way that Gefesst paid for almost all of Commanders Enchanting skill).
If Anita2008 is truly not a Support Character, then you should be happy to do this after having received such a huge financial benefit from the character. If the behaviour continues I have little doubt the Admins will penalise at least one character.
Grunge |
| As I said, post your complaint in the proper topic. I will answer you there. Thank you! |
You have posted complaining that I have behaved in an uncivilised manner.
I have requested a specific example of my "uncivilised behaviour".
This is entirely on topic.
I once again request that you provide a specific example of my "uncivilised behaviour".
If this is the correct forum to complain about my behaviour, I can certainly request proof of your claims.
Grunge |
Maybe that will help you to understand.
are not allowed to be uncivilized (e.g., Xerfer calling my girlfriend an "idiot").
but not posting in the correct forum section (CaA) where they (e.g., Grunge)
Accusing me for having multi without any proof (I was already accused once of that and I was cleared by mods plus no action from the admins) and in the wrong section (especially when I asked politely to do that) is an act of denigration which cannot be counted as a trait of a civilized person. |
Ummm, that is your opinion of what I said.
Please quote the paragraph where I stated that you and Anita2008 are Multis.
BTW - no action by the Admins is not proof of innocence. The admins didn't penalize Commander and Gefesst for a *very* long time after they had committed their offences. That does not mean that no offence was committed, or that similar offences being committed will be acted upon immediately. And the admins have a variety of tools that are unavailable to Mods to detect behaviour that is against the rules, so that is not absolute proof either.
Grunge |
| https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1860133&page=5#209978 |
I repeat again, which paragraph did I *state* that you and Anita2008 are multis.
Here's an example
Still, many players considered that cheating (as far as I know, that is incorrect because there is no rule against a clan to support its own smith or whatever else) accusing me publicly, but not posting in the correct forum section (CaA) where they (e.g., Grunge) are not allowed to be uncivilized (e.g., Xerfer calling my girlfriend an "idiot").
The above paragraph is where you mention my name and link it to a claim of uncivilized behaviour. Specifically this part of the paragraph -where they (e.g., Grunge) are not allowed to be uncivilized.
Could you please provide a similar quote where I state that you and Anita2008 are multis?
Grunge |
However their is one important factor that CGSMCMLXXV has forgotten in his dealings with Anita2008. It is the same thing that Commander forgot with his multi
This is hardly suprising since their profiles both claim that they are Boyfriend and Girlfriend. (irony with implications in this context)
And in the end you refer to me, not to us:
Does anyone want to hazard a guess at what CGSMCMLXXV has forgotten?
I am not going to start a flaming thread. If you start to change the meanings of what you said, it's up to you, I will let the admins to draw their own conclusions. |
I still don't see where I have accused you of being multis as you stated in this previous paragraph - Accusing me for having multi without any proof.
I said you forgot an important factor in your dealings with Anita2008. I said that it was the same thing that Commander forgot in his dealings with his Multi (Gefesst).
You do claim that you and Anita2008 are Boyfriend and Girlfriend, do you not? It is clearly in your profile. Or are you now claiming, here and now, that you are not BF and GF? I haven't been presented with any evidence to *prove* that this is the case, so I cannot describe it as anything but a claim.
I refer to you because you made the post in the Smithing and Enchanters Services Forum. It is entirely possible that the character Anita2008 didn't see this post. If I cannot be sure that Anita2008 has seen this thread, I certainly cannot state that she has forgotten this, now can I?
If you cannot substantiate your claim that I behaved in an uncivilised manner, I would request that you remove my name from your request.
Grunge |
| No, I won't remove it. My previous answers are substantial enough to claim my accusation. If you don't see or you don't want to see it, it is not my concern. The admins will decide how much my claim is unsubstantiated. |
| Well, I apologize for calling your gf an idiot. What I should have done, is call her actions idiotic ;) |
| Again insulting. |
Very well, I will provide additional information to the admins regarding this matter. It seems that *I* am falsely accused by CGSMCMLXXV.
It would be very obvious if I actually accused someone of breaking the rules. I would say so clearly and concisely.
However, if I do not have absolute proof of wrong-doing I will present the facts as I see them and allow others to draw their own conclusions.
It can be seen with my presentation of the facts against I_own_you_all. In this case I am *almost* certain that Geht_sterben is a support character, based on the constant interactions between the characters and the completely one-sided nature of Geht_sterbens two towers games. However I limit myself to the statement - Perhaps Geht_sterben was once your brothers account, but now it's main purpose appears to be assisting I_own_you_all. Because this is exactly the case, all the appearances indicate that the character Geht_sterben sole purpose is assisting I_own_you_all.
In my posts outlining the interactions between CGSMCMLXXV and Anita2008 I presented what I had discovered in my examination of the two characters. There was an offer made by CGSMCMLXXV on 17 July 2009 for repairs at 50% of the repair cost. In the repairs done by CGSMCMLXXV for Anita2008 subsequent to this date, the Character Anita2008 paid the full price, not 50%. I pointed out that this was very similar to the way that Commander failed to provide a rebate to the character Gefesst for enchanting done, while others received the discount. I stated that I would not treat my loved ones in this fashion.
CGSMCMLXXV interpreted this to be an accusation of Anita2008 being his multi. If this is how he (and others) chooses to interpret my presentation, I would suggest that they not project their conclusions into my words.
Tellingly, CGSMCMLXXV has been unable to show where I explicitly go about Accusing me for having multi without any proof., let alone prove his claim of an act of denigration which cannot be counted as a trait of a civilized person.. However his accusations are flowing freely and I am easily able to provide quotes for them.
I hope that the course of action in this case is self-evident.
Have Fun
Grunge |
I respect your conclusion and I will add no more than #9 and #11 to support my accusation but the fact that in post
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1860133&page=5#209982
I asked For any other accusation, please, post it in CaA, and no complaint from this player was done in the proper forum, but the player continued his accusations in the same thread (see post #119).
For me all those posts meant denigration because the player couldn't find for themselves the correct accusations to post in the proper forum, but throwing words in threads just to attack other players. |
| *himself/herself not themselves (sorry for double posting) |
*Sigh* I guess I have to cover this point again.
The *topic* of this thread is regarding a claim of inadequate behaviour of some players. My name was included in this claim.
I queried my alleged "inadequate behaviour" and requested an example. This is entirely on the topic of this thread. I was attempting to show that the claim of my alleged inadequate behaviour was unwarranted.
The topic starter has apparently been unable to provide actual evidence of my alleged inadequate behaviour. I believe that I have shown that the claim against myself was a misinterpretation of my words by the topic author.
All of this is *entirely* *on* *topic*.
And now for the ultimate proof that, in your own opinion and with a quote from that very thread, you were not being "denigrated" by me.
In your post #132 in that thread you posted the following message LOL! Guys, you really make me laugh! Such kids you are! :)).
Does this sound like someone that considers themselves to be suffering denigration at the hands of another? Your own words show that this claim of inadequate behaviour of some players doesn't seem relate to any posts before #132 because apparently you found all posts up to that point to be a laughing matter.
The unfortunate choice of words by Xerfer (#126) have been punished by Kotrin. If there were any other "inappropriate behaviour" before that point, I have no doubt that Kotrin would have detected it.
Do I need to provide any further evidence regarding this matter?
Grunge |
I am a man of my word. I won't add anything else to my accusations.
Just to answer your claim of you not being off-topic: yes, you are right (I didn't even imply otherwise during this exchange of opinions) and you had and have the right to come with proof for your innocence (if you succeded or not, that's not my place to say it, I will let the admins to decide that). That's why I didn't move this discussion on private and I answered to you here. |
