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LITWIN - Illegal acquisition of element.


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AuthorLITWIN - Illegal acquisition of element.
07-31-10 09:55: Acquired elements: "Fern flower"(s) for 10 gold from KingwarX as lot #1693897

I believe this is a violation of rules.
Sorry for double post, I forgot to post link to transfer log.

https://www.lordswm.com/pl_transfers.php?id=4486214
Can You tell me what rule i break?
if you believe, to to church and pray.

Show me what game rule i break. If You cannot, please do do not slander me
[Player banned by moderator Barbarian-Fishy until 2010-08-02 14:55:48 // As you were the party in question, you have the right to ask clarification. 1 post only though.]
zeno dont be silly ^^
[Player banned by moderator Barbarian-Fishy until 2010-08-02 14:56:13 // No 3rd part comments.]
Date: 2010-07-31 15:09:04
From: ZenoMX
To: LITWIN
Subject:

Hi, please send back the fern-flower you acquired from KingWarX to Empire or I will make a report.
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My answer:
Date: 2010-07-31 15:10:08
From: LITWIN
To: ZenoMX
Subject: Re:

what report ?
They posted it on market - and i buy it.
Date: 2010-07-31 15:12:50
From: ZenoMX
To: LITWIN
Subject:

"When buying game items from other characters, the prices mustn't differ too much from the average market prices."

Average price of Fernflower is approx 15.5k
You bought it for 10 gold.
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MY answer:
Date: 2010-07-31 15:14:24
From: LITWIN
To: ZenoMX
Subject: Re:

i bought many items on market with different prices, not only that.
check my transfer logs.
Its no my fault that they post them with 10 gold.
Date: 2010-07-31 15:16:01
From: LITWIN
To: ZenoMX
Subject: Re:

Please read carefully game rules. And don't cut them where you want.

There are full sentence:
3.13. Additional characters are not allowed to make presents to anyone, or pay/receive clan taxes/entrance fees. When buying game items from other characters, the prices mustn't differ too much from the average market prices. Trying to wash the money through substitute parties is a serious violation leading to block of the additional characters and penalty to the main one.

This is not about me.
(...)
This is about a ADDITIONAL characters - to prevent money/elements etc. transfer between one player accounts and their multis.
As everyone can see, he did not address to my post, and go to forum.
Typical squealer.
Can you not read, Mr. LITWIN?
My very first pm to you clearly says, incase you do not send it back I will report it. A "squealer" wouldnt be courteous enough to inform you.
So please refrain from such stupid comments.

Incase its not a rule break, I will gladly take an appropriate forum ban.

I view your action as a rule break because you bought an element worth 15k for 10 gold.
hahaha - this your "personal" rule break.

Can You show me a game rule that i break? If You post fern flower for 5 pieces, i will also buy it. Catch this occasion on market is not a rule break.
Also, if anyone put them at 14.000 (if "normal" price is 15.5k) - and someone will buy it - is a rule break?
Because i not break any game rule, and You cannot show it - you break forum rules - you trying to blame me without a reason. And i hope moderators will ban You on forum.
Your logic is good, LITWIN :)
You didn't break a rule per se, but the game administrators (i.e the people who made the game and it's rules) have seen it fit to punish others who did the exact same thing you did. Buy something from the market which differed from the usual prices (with their main characters)

If you still need additional proof, I'd be more than happy to give a few links :)
[Player banned by moderator Barbarian-Fishy until 2010-08-01 15:57:18 // No 3rd part comments.]
sorry for double post, but as LITWIN himself has been triple and quadruple posting, hey why not? XD

If you're going to defend yourself, then please do it in a more mature way, and not like a 10 year old trying to justify why he broke into the cookies ^^
also, please stop spamming ^^
[Player banned by moderator Barbarian-Fishy until 2010-08-02 14:58:30 // Two wrongs don't make a right. No 3rd party comments.]
I only answered him.
If You check my logs, i many times returned bought elements (when someone put as mistake too low value).
Because i have some more options to buy elements on market fast, if person ask me for their elements (before i sell them), i returned it.
To ZenoMX:
07-31-10 19:39: Acquired elements: "Ice crystal"(s) for 5000 gold from gumis as lot #1695042

If i catch them for 5.000 and sell at 5.980 - this is illegal?

There are no matter what is buying price - until i not doing this special.
Market this is my home, i spending here most of my game time. I buying low-costs and selling at high.
And i do a mistake :/
I put them at 5.797.
If anyone will buy them, and i want - they MUST return it to me?
No. Before You post any item, You can see that what You doing. And if You do a mistake, this is only Your fault. So be carefully.
And now the fernflower is on market for 16,400 gold.

31-07-10 19:39: Displayed for sale: 1 element Fern flower 16400 gold each. Auction expiry: 31-07-10 20:09. Seller: LITWIN

For LITWIN, there's a difference between reselling and exploiting.
[Player banned by moderator Barbarian-Fishy until 2010-08-02 14:59:52 // Everything from you before this was a clarification of the first post. This is not. C&A is not a place for a deba
This is one gold rule - if something is not forbidden, is allowed.

This is a normal market.
Post element in less price and they will disappear from market - someone will buy it.
It looks like KingWarX left the game (https://www.lordswm.com/pl_info.php?id=4438955) and probably was selling everything he had. MAYBE he was LITWIN's friend or something. MAYBE LITWIN got lucky.

and I agree with #15
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