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This is a mock computation for guards, with base init of 8.
Expert holy gives rapid: +40% --> +8*.4 = +3.2 init --> 11.2 rapid guards.
Alt-demon's delay of -46% --> -11.2*.46 = -5.15 init --> 11.2-5.15 = 6.05.
So guard with rapid +40%, delay -46% will have final init = 6.05, which is 8-2 (almost)
Is this normal, that -46% + 40% = -6% = - 0.06 difference between the rapid/delay results in a final difference in initiative of 2?
To put in perspective, 2 is 25% of the standard init of guard that is 8.
So 6% difference of delay-rapid give 25% reduction of the overall initiative?
Does this seem like something fishy over here? Am I doing my math correctly? | look at example when delay has only 40% and rapid has 40%.
final init wouldnt be 8 | Nothing fishy, just wrong math :P
It's multiplicative not additive.
You multiplied here Alt-demon's delay of -46% --> -11.2*.46 = -5.15 init --> 11.2-5.15 = 6.05.
and then added here -46% + 40% = -6% = - 0.06
So it should be 0,54x1,4=0,756
0,756x8=6,048 | for Erekose:
there is nothing wrong with his math
So guard with rapid +40%, delay -46% will have final init = 6.05, which is 8-2 (almost)
is the same as
So it should be 0,54x1,4x8=6,048
Answer is simply that delay is more powerful than rapid. And this has always been like this. | True. Yes, but looking at: +40% vs. -46% looks like a small difference.
However, the final result: +3.2 vs. -6.05 the negative effect is almost twice the positive.
I know delay is more powerful than rapid., but its magnitude is astounding, given the small difference. | | compare with delay then rapid | for Sven91:
Seriously, better read a post before responding to it :P
-46% + 40% = -6% = - 0.06 is wrong,
0,54x1,4=0,756=-25,4% is right. | Correction
0,54x1,4=0,756=-24,4% is right. | There's nothing wrong technically speakin...
As when u rapid(40%) - 8*.4 = +3.2 , so the initiative becomes 11.2 . Now if you cast delay, the base taken would be 11.2 not 8(which is the actual initiative after the effect of rapid ends) so 11.2*.47 = -5.2 , therefore your initiative is reduced to 6(approx).
Think of it like this - suppose you rapid for 40% increase that brings up your initiative to 11.2 and then delay 40% assuming the rapid effect would just get cancelled , but its even worse because 40% delay is workin over 11.2 initiative and not 8 o the decrease is around 4.5 , therefore your new initiative becomes 6.7 . | | closed by Warlock naviron (2013-02-10 18:54:20) |
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