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on the past two weeks, I have had quite a lot of free time and have been playing a lot of card tourney, and there are four times where I have encountered a strange act made by players who seems to know what card I'm holding
and what a coincidence that these players are the ones who made very huge profits, about twice or more of their losses
so what do they actually did? on the first few turns, they use initiation (+1 all mines, +4 mana) when I'm holding one or more mine cards that will give me an advantage in mines, but BEFORE i have used any mine or other monastery/barracks card
normally, people use initiation when the opponent have an advantage in mines, so you be less disadvantaged
but it's strange that these opponents know they are about to have a disadvantage in mines before i use any of the mine cards or any other source cards
there's a very small possibility that they want the +4 mana, but i doubt it since using initiation when both players have the same mine might gives unnecessary advantage to your opponent, never encountered any other good players who did this in the first few turns
btw, im not writing this because im jealous or anything, im sure almost if not all of the good players out there are honest, and i actually won 3 out of 4 of these matches anyway so I'm not really bitter about this, but if this is true, who knows how many unfair losses me and other players have received from this?
just sharing my thoughts in case my suspicions might be true, although im not surprised if i'm just being paranoid :) | Can you specify which type of game you played eailer?
In one deck every card has single instance which means if your having a card x then your oppnent cannot have it until you use it ore pass it.
So after some turns you can guess what type of cards your oppnent might be holding.
In infinet deck it is not possible. | Can you specify which type of game you played eailer?
card tourneys, capital rules, one deck
So after some turns you can guess what type of cards your oppnent might be holding.
i mentioned they did it in the first few turns | normally, people use initiation when the opponent have an advantage in mines, so you be less disadvantaged
Oftentimes I will play this card early on in the game if I know I can decrease the enemy's mine fairly quickly afterwards. Also, that 4 mana could very well be useful at the beginning of the game. The cost of the card is cheap, the benefits are good, especially if you only have 2 monastery and it would take a further 2 turns to get that 4 mana - They may have had a card they wished to play quickly.
Without seeing the games it is hard to deduce their full strategy, but I would say that the card game cannot be hacked. | Oftentimes I will play this card early on in the game if I know I can decrease the enemy's mine fairly quickly afterwards.
That seems like the opposite of what I usually does. If i can decrease the enemy's mine, then i'll avoid using initiation since the advantage in ore that i'll have is bigger if i dont use initiation
And even if it gives 4 mana, the possible advantage it gives to the enemy is not really worth the mana, unless its already in a late game stage and i have enough tower cards that gives me victory but i doesnt have enough mana
And personally, I very seldom found anybody uses initiation when the mines are equal, whether its an opponent with a good or not so good record
But in the past 2 weeks, i found 4 such cases, and in each of the cases i was hiding mine cards, and each of the opponents have really huge profit percentage, quite a coincidence there
Quite a co | | oops, forgot to delete that last line | | players with huge profits make move you think strange- maybe is not hack maybe is better strategy | on the first few turns, they use initiation (+1 all mines, +4 mana)
It's been ages since I last played card games so my tactics may be rusty here. It is possible that:
1: he has no better cards to play;
2: all his cards may be useful later (he cannot discard them);
3: he does not have mine creating cards (he assumes you have them all);
4: he does not have mine destroying cards (he assumes you have them all);
If all those conditions are met, I might play that particular card at any point in the game. | players with huge profits make move you think strange- maybe is not hack maybe is better strategy
possible, but the 4 times it happened at the same time as when i'm hiding mine cards
if it's strategy then i'm expecting that to happen more frequently, but again it all might just be coincidence
If all those conditions are met, I might play that particular card at any point in the game.
you're right, that could be a good reason to use the card too, although if it's only in the first few turns then i dont think you could assume i have all the mine creating/destroying cards if he dont have one | Sometimes I also doubt it when opponent gets all the monastery and tower gaining card while I have stupid cards .
But since there is no solid evidence, you cant blame anyone | Sometimes I also doubt it when opponent gets all the monastery and tower gaining card while I have stupid cards .
that happens, it's normal
but by hacking i mean that they seem to be able to know what card i'm holding, i guess i should've made it more clear | That way too, i've seen people use dissention-like cards to cause damage to my tower when I'm within 20 points of victory,even when I don't have dragons eye and they have only 1 monastery.
Sometimes, even I have questions over legitimacy of card distribution, but at the end of the day, you realize that its all fair.they seem to be able to know what card i'm holding,is a pure assumption, nothing more =) | That way too, i've seen people use dissention-like cards to cause damage to my tower when I'm within 20 points of victory,even when I don't have dragons eye and they have only 1 monastery.
that's also normal, they are scared of you winning, if they can read your cards they wont use dissenstion
is a pure assumption, nothing more
that's also probably true, it's just suspicious that they seem to know they were going to have a disadvantage in mine just before it actually happened | | But there is one thing I am very eager to know, how card distribution takes place, is there any guide or forum page for that? | although if it's only in the first few turns then i dont think you could assume i have all the mine creating/destroying cards if he dont have one
The game just started, if card X is not in my hand then chances are it is in my opponent's hand (Scenario A) or still not dealt (Scenario B). If Scenario B happens, then there is a 50% chance if it turning to Scenario A or Scenario C (I have card X). Chance of Scenario A happening at start of game may be calculated using an equation with two variables M (number of unique cards) and N (number of cards dealt to players). Whatever the exact value is, it is definitely >0%.
What I gather from this is that if I do not have any mine cards at the start of the game, I can expect to have a higher than 50% chance of being disadvantaged in the mine department as the game progresses. I think that's reason enough to play "1 to all mines" early if I don't have other mine cards. Note: probability increases if opponent uses golden cards.
Also, I'd play that card early if I have Dragon's Heart or just have a lot of good ore-powered cards (if I have them, then you do not have them therefore you do not benefit from +1 mine more than I do). I'd play other mine-creating cards first but since you have them (I'm holding one or more mine cards that will give me an advantage in mines), then I would have no choice but to use what I have.
This thread basically sits on the assumption that people use initiation when the opponent have an advantage in mines. There are probably other situations where this card is good to play regardless of your knowledge of your opponent's hand or who has more mines. Also, you can predict with fair amount (>50%) of accuracy that you will be disadvantaged in the mine department if you start the game with no mine cards. Maybe they just know how to use this card very well? Maybe this is why they have such large profits? | | Don't bet against players with large profit, it's not smart. | possible hacking on card games?
Nope | @Grusharaburas
so i tried to calculate the probability of your opponent having a mine card if you dont (but you have initiation)
total number of cards = 102
total number of card that can decrease your mine or increase his mine = 6
assuming both players have golden cards,
chance of your opponent picks a mine card = 6/95 = 6.3%
chance of your opponent doesnt have a mine card = 89/95 * 88/94 *...* 83/89 = 62.4%
so, in the first turn, there's a 37.6% for your opponent to have a mine card
and if both doesnt have any mine cards, there's about 6% chance for both players to get a mine card in each of their turns
so, it's not a bad guess that your opponent gonna have a mine advantage if you don't have it initially, but its seems too quick assuming that in only 2-3 turns and immediately using initiation
i guess your opponent could've had the same idea as yours though | i guess your opponent could've had the same idea as yours though
Or they just don't have the same reluctance to play that card like you. Also, you won most of those instances so it is possible they got bad starting cards and are a bit desperate.
I can think of three ways the card games could be hacked. First, gain direct access to server. That's going to be extremely difficult.
Second would be to "convince" the server to show you your opponent's hand by "spoofing" or creating a login session of your opponent's character but that requires knowledge of your opponent's password. Probably.
Third would be to look into the card game client and see what your opponent's cards are but I highly doubt that the server sends your game client your opponent's card information until he plays or discards them. |
Or they just don't have the same reluctance to play that card like you. Also, you won most of those instances so it is possible they got bad starting cards and are a bit desperate.
you're right, that's also definitely possible |
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