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Hi! I recently got a bit more into tavern, so I wanted to know if there is a page that gives some more information about it than the about the game page. I also wanted to know how many cards exactly there are.
Another thing, in a single deck game, maybe even in a tournament game, if you run out of cards do all the cards played get reshuffled and distributed again? And it is only after all the cards are run out of right?

I also have another question that might depend on opinions, many people consider tavern to be significantly dependent on strategy... but really? i mean once you know the basics and get the "common sense" of what to do isn't it completely up to your luck rather than skill? Yet again many people have millions and millions worth of profit and very high win/loss ratios, so that's probably the base of this idea that people have formed about tavern being dependent on skill rather than luck.
list of all cards: http://daily.heroeswm.ru/bu.php?i=alidndt6
In single deck of cards, when all deck is gone, the cards are re-used and if I recall right, they don't get shuffled, so their order is defined by the order they were played in the first round. I am pretty sure but not 100% sure. If I am right, then having good memory may give you an edge in the second round, as you know what card will be drawn next.
http://angelsndemons.freeforums.org/14-gamblers-guild-reference-guide-t93.html
Everything you need to know about Tavern.

In a single deck game the cards gets reshuffled after running out but the cards in your hand remains the same unless you rotate those cards. Tavern is 50% luck 50% strategy. The player with any one of the Dragon cards have higher probability of winning. On playing a lot of games you will find yourself a working strategy. Experience matters here :-)
Reshuffled means here, brought back to same order as before.
Wow so they don't get shuffled? Really? Are you both 100% sure about this? In that case what happens to the cards we have in hand from the start?


Tavern is 50% luck 50% strategy.
Please elaborate :P
Yeah, there are some skill in tavern.
The better players are able to consistently get at least 55% win rate, which translates to huge profits on the long term

There are some tips here
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=2089798

The skill mainly deals with planning how to win and anticipating your opponent's cards, takes experience to grasp the skill

Although, most games are still dependent of luck though, so you can only confirm that you're 'skilled' if you can get more than 50% winrate within hundreds of games

Amount of stakes will also probably affect your winrate, since newer players tend to play on the low stakes, while experienced ones play on the high stakes

Oh, and the 'skill' probably only applies to Empire Capital, since other game modes are longer and is even more dependent on your card draw


I'm not sure about the reshuffling thing, but I don't think they'll appear on the same order as the previous plays (though I never really pays attention)

There are times where I get back a previously used card pretty quickly, and times when it never appears after a long time, I think the shuffling is random
(Though keeping memory of which cards have been used is still useful since they won't appear back within a short time)


The player with any one of the Dragon cards have higher probability of winning.
Not really, the red and green dragon cards can easily be useless since it takes too much resources.
And if you're holding it for a long time, it becomes obvious for your opponent that you're planning to use it
Yeah, there are some skill in tavern.
The better players are able to consistently get at least 55% win rate, which translates to huge profits on the long term


I have a bit more than 52% win ratio and still loosing money. I would expect best players to do better than just 55%. Thing is, even if you win a bit more than you loose, Empire commission reaps most of your gains. I would have a small positive balance without it.
Also, losses on Card Tournaments will also results in huge difference in win/loss gold ratio. A loss in a tournament will ass 1K to your loss value :-P
I have a bit more than 52% win ratio and still loosing money.

The difference between 52% and 55% is huge, 55% gives more than double the profit
(And from what I've observed, the better players normally have a winrate of 55% to 60%)

Example, if you play 100 games with 1k stake

52% win rate gives you 104k winnings while staking 100k
Total profit of 4k (net loss of 1k due to 5k stake)

55% win rate gives you 110k winnings while staking 100k
Total profit of 10k (net profit of 5k due to 5k stake)

(Then you might also want to include the price of golden cards on your total profit)
As sareth commented, usually good players have ~60% win rate. I'd say it is 55-60% strategy and remaining is your luck!
You can rely on sareth opinions, he is one of the finest .com tavern players. :)
One thing that I'd like to add which wasn't present in https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=2089798 is to play with players who are close to your GG level especially if your GG level isn't too high. This is due to the fact that higher level players are generally more calculating and can think of strategies more quickly than you would.

Rest are some real good advices there. :)
to play with players who are close to your GG level especially if your GG level isn't too high

If you want to cherrypick, better pick based on winrate than the GG level :p

But playing like this is annoying though :p
1. Hi! I recently got a bit more into tavern, so I wanted to know if there is a page that gives some more information about it than the about the game page. I also wanted to know how many cards exactly there are.
- there are 102 cards
- 34 green
- 34 blue
- 34 red
and it is extremly important to know them all (!)
all cards you can find here: http://daily.heroeswm.ru/bu.php?i=alidndt6
I started to make some arcomage manuals in my blog on HWM Daily:
http://daily.heroeswm.ru/bu.php?i=177duhho
I will try to translate them in english by request. Until now there were 0 requests xD But anyway, i'm done with HWM Daily and will post such manuals in future only on HWM Guide: http://heroes-guide.ru/ So if you want them in english, then tell me.

2. Another thing, in a single deck game, maybe even in a tournament game, if you run out of cards do all the cards played get reshuffled and distributed again? And it is only after all the cards are run out of right?
Cards are divided in 2 parts: A and B. After you used a card, it will go in the second part: B with random position (!)
- Side note: It is very important to remember which cards were removed and you can estimate after how many turns they will definitely come back.

3. I also have another question that might depend on opinions, many people consider tavern to be significantly dependent on strategy... but really? i mean once you know the basics and get the "common sense" of what to do isn't it completely up to your luck rather than skill? Yet again many people have millions and millions worth of profit and very high win/loss ratios, so that's probably the base of this idea that people have formed about tavern being dependent on skill rather than luck.
- Cards are randomized and if you play in Empire Capital with 1 deck, then it is very important which cards you get in the beginning, because in the beginning you'll have to build mines/monasteries/barracks (ok, there are still possibilities to win without to build them, for example with "mana rush")
- But, as somebody said before, if you win 55%-60% of all games: 5%...10% are defnitely your skill. So if you want to make money with cards, then you will have to play several thousands games with stake >=1000 gold. And it really makes sense to buy golden cards.

Just an advice from my side: record all your games (ScreenRecorder) and then watch them and you will see your mistakes. You will understand what you can improve.
for randomr1:
And it really makes sense to buy golden cards.

Golden cards' profitability:
http://daily.heroeswm.ru/bu.php?i=hopj5f6e
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