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| Author | FSP Boost to weak players is highly unfair. Here's Why. |
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Check this battle.
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?warid=858527260
I have better Arts.
I killed over 90% (Approx) of the enemies.
I get 5.95 FSP.
He gets 9.15 FSP.
Seriously? If this is how Weaker players are Rewarded, then there is something wrong.
Because this game is blatantly punishing those who have put in efforts into creating a well rounded character. I think the boost should not have ever existed in the first place. And If it does exist, then it needs to have a limiter.
Would love to know your thoughts on this. | If you wish to remove that, then how else you would suggest that player might ever overcome this?
Its his stats btw -
Sum of fsp: 10939.81
0%
Pimped character!
Additional fsp: 69.5%
Nothing is wrong here. | | I think there should never have been a thing like FSP.. It is the major reason so many players leave .. It leads to many unfair battles. | | oh, common, I think I had his fsp when I was CL13 or so... Why so upset with that? He is very low on fsp and still long path for him to have at least something below average. And once he get to that state, he won't get any bonus fsp. | | And how are you punished exactly? you got your normal fsp from survilurg | | If you find it's a good situation to get extra fsp, there's nothing baring you from doing hunts for max exp and reap the fruits of your hard labor. | FSP Boost to weak players is highly unfair. Here's Why.
and where's your reason? All you did was find a proof. And it seems to have taken you too long to find one, considering this system to help the players with huge fsp disparity is an old one.
Because this game is blatantly punishing those who have put in efforts into creating a well rounded character.yours is a well rounded character? something everyone inevitably needs to strive for in order to have decent success?
I think the boost should not have ever existed in the first place. And If it does exist, then it needs to have a limiter.Remind me, unless you were not madly participating only high fsp battles in premerge .com days, and progressing with the mindset of an average player, would you still say this?
Also there is a limiter, the average. The farther you are from average, the more effective this boost becomes. Conversely, closer to the average, the boost is negligible.
And maybe you really struggled to keep your standard high, and i hope it is helping you somehow, but a game isn't supposed to be such a struggle. If you really have managed to rise above the average, why does it bother you if others with very deficient stats are being helped to approach the average? Its not a punishment, its some sort of envy. | And how are you punished exactly? you got your normal fsp from survilurg
It's like a Job,
A gets paid 5$ an hour for producing 5 Units of X Material.
B gets paid 5$ an hour for producing 5 Units of X Material.
C gets paid 10$ an hour for producing 1 Unit of X Material because he is presently bad at the job, but will be good later someday.
A & B are facing an Opportunity Loss.
and where's your reason? All you did was find a proof. And it seems to have taken you too long to find one, considering this system to help the players with huge fsp disparity is an old one.
I've been against the FSP Boost since its implementation. The example I provided is a good one, and hence I posted. Given this battle happened on 10th October, 2017, my deepest apologies I couldn't post it months back since the battle never existed in the first place.
yours is a well rounded character? something everyone inevitably needs to strive for in order to have decent success?
Yes, I'm doing great. God's Grace and your best wishes.
http://stats.ordenmira.ru/progress.php?nick=AKA
Remind me, unless you were not madly participating only high fsp battles in premerge .com days, and progressing with the mindset of an average player, would you still say this?
Fortunately I understood what it took to have an above average character in terms of FSP and played accordingly. Sorry I used my brains.
If you really have managed to rise above the average, why does it bother you if others with very deficient stats are being helped to approach the average?
This is an MMORPG. The RPGs that I've played lay emphasis on Character Building right from Day 1, Level 1. Skewed mechanics helping a handicap character is not the best way forward to incite dedicated strategic gamers. | You are looking at it from wrong perspective.
You both got amount fsp which you deserved, but since he is pumped character.. he got additional fsp%, but initial fsp which he received was same.
Such system was introduced to avoid people from getting unlimited amount of fsps by donation, without getting any punishment ( ie pumped character, so extra exp ).
So its obvious, if pumped players are punished, pimped players should benefit too.
And if you are in for removal of this pumped/pimped system, then sorry mate its not happening.
If you really think so, then I am pretty sure you fall in very very minor category of players with such thinking.
Tbh, implementations of this system balanced this game a bit.. but nothing can be done.. after the introduction of chest of abundances, this game already became unfair. Pay to be Strong. | Pempedvs pumped is a normalising mechanic, it does not affect the outcome of any battle, but helps gradually change things over time to lessen skewed dynamics and camping. IT must be remembered that in a like for like situation a pimped character is at a disdvantage to a pumped character and is likely to have a lower win record. They cannot then access many of the parts of the game they should at least have a chance at. Overtime without any normalising influence the extremes would get exagerated, as the pumped wins more with the better ratio, and the pimped wins less with a worse ratio.
Without it, the same people would likely dominate completely pvp as they could camp out on a level for a long time, which with the increased exp they get, is harder for them to do.
You mention money, how about using the idea of a tax system. Those who earn the most have greater potential to earn even more (the rich get richer) though they also get taxed at a higher rate. In comparison those out of work, may get some money so that they can get by and hopefully get a job.
I can understand it seems unfair, it is in a way, but it is only unfair to those that are already in a better position, they are people who shoudld be able to deal with it in the happiness of their superior position. | Yes, I'm doing great. God's Grace and your best wishes.
One can never expect what the other person is going to be able to say, haha.
On another hand, it is such a commendable achievement that you now have every reason to be correct. Perhaps you should find a way to frame that on your profile so nobody should ever argue with you. Forgive me, i have to ask, if everyone played like you did, using the "brains", you would lose the delight to be a smug won't you? | Without it, the same people would likely dominate completely pvp as they could camp out on a level for a long time, which with the increased exp they get, is harder for them to do.
Makes sense.
Such an obvious aspect of Level Camping missed by me. To think of it I myself might also be a Level Camper to a certain extent. To completely ignore the people who wish to have a fast paced game play and not make the game a drag is a serious error on my end.
You got me convinced there mate. Cheers! | What's wrong with it? Somebody who's that much behind in fsp will never be competing you anyway. This also gives people like you some chance to face insane fsp and stat campers, not much, but some.
Basically the better will remain better this way, only the difference is reduced. It's like if you have -10,0,10. And you shrink those numbers by 10, you get -1,0,1. The order of superiority remains the same, and in duels, gb's, whatever, the worse will remain worse, but in other battles they'll at least be able to play. Perfectly logical system.
Moral of the story: This neither harms nor helps you if you are neither pumped nor pimped, so don't worry about it. Him getting 3.2 fsp more is an illusion to make you think he is getting an unfair advantage, he will never overtake you only with the help of pimp. | | The FSP balance system is also necessary to balance the fsp levels of older and newer accounts. Imagine someone who played several years ago and returns now. Back then he maybe had a great character, but the average amount of FSP was way lower too. Now he would be massively pimped, because the fsp you get per combat is nowadays much higher, due to frequent events with great exp/fsp ratios, new guilds like WG and AG and improved ratios in the old guilds (HG, MG, TG). That would be highly unfair. |
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