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If he gets 10 monster requests in a row, that may be explained by the skipping mechanism in #133. But 10 monsters of the same type. Really???
Based on what I see here, it is very very hard for me to dismiss the idea that these people are cheaters, and most accusations here DO aim at those specific players, not the clan. | Its obviously usage of scripts.
And its not very hard.. script can just keep on passing by everything untill desired mg quest shows up. In matter of seconds.
Ofc, this will include loads of diamonds being wasted on skipping. But again they got millions of gold which they spent on buying diamonds from facilities ( or maybe even by donating ), buy they get tremendous diamond to gold ratio here.
Also if its true, that skipping quest means that quest shows no earlier than 3 days, then this means they spent way lesser diamonds on skipping.
This can be done manually too, but seeing the frequency in which all those are played ( which includes searching, then travelling, then playing ), i can say very confidently that scripts were involved here.
But not such scripts which breaks the code of system, so you only get what you want on next search; but the script for just passing quests.
But again, using scripts is not legal itself... So... Yes, they all are cheaters. | Just relax and enjoy the game
Guys, calm down. There's no point of having heated conversation with each other here. It's not like admins are counting on our opinions. This game was never fair and no one said it would be. Let's accept this and keep enjoying our game. At the end of the day, it's a game. We play this because we like it. We can always stop. ;) | Just so it's clear, it's admins who decide what's correct and what's not and non of the admins going to read any of this discussion. So no matter who is right or who isn't won't make any difference!
Ofcourse if any complaints, it better to go in complains section of forum and not here.
So relax and enjoy the game | Dennis, I think you don't know what your point is.
You claim they're cheaters. The only illegal thing on market is, using script to take any advantage, anything else is legal. Therefore if you're not claiming they use scripts for market advantage, then you have absolutely nothing to complain about.
Your view was clear from the start - Correct is anything inside the game design mechanics.
I am stating the obvious. If someone play the game as it has been design, without any alteration, then that person did not cheat.
Look some dictionary help for you
"act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
"she always cheats at cards""
If the questioned person, did not use any illegal means to achieve it's goal, then it's not cheating, in this case it was just an exploit that happened to be found.
Exploit is not the same as cheat. Do you even know the difference?
However, as I've stated many times already, if they were in fact cheating, then a punishment is nothing but deserved, that does not means I am able to judge what they might or not have done. It requires evidence and knowledge, of which I don't have, neither do you.
I don't even know why I am still on this. Let just end here. You won, whatever.
Congrats.
Oh by the way, I never did disagree nor said anything different. Cheaters should be punished, period. | Hi Angel of Death, I see you are very obsessed with market script and somehow manage to link it to the thread, though its not relevant. That's your antics but please don't get me involved.
As for my point, I think I could not have stated it clearer. You probably get it as well(at least I hope so), but just refuse to accept a different point of view because you think that Correct is anything inside the game design mechanics.
There were multiple posts providing logical reasons as to why scripts were used to complete the quest; there were also reasoning as to why we think even exploiting a bug should be punished.
But you seem to ignore them all and only focus on market script and repeat the same point over and over again.."if they cheated, they should be punished, if not...." Thanks for repeating the same point, not that we don't already know lol. We feel that they cheated, hence they are cheaters and the need for punishment :) | And yeah of course we know that our opinions are insignificant to the admins. Most also wouldn't expect admits to do anything different than to go easy on the cheaters.
But facts are facts, the prolonged discussion here only existed because some people find the abuse of bug acceptable. I don't agree with that, but I acknowledge that's their opinion and wouldn't make false accusation towards them :) | This problem is not so simple as you all write here. There is more to it but i'm not admin and obviously can not confirm rumors (a bit stronger info than rumors tbf).
Script was involved, charachter passwords were shared (greed makes you do stupid things), exploiting bugs or whatever you can this situation is prohibited and they said that many times and there was an example of severe punishemnt before. Those who are now in jail waiting for punishment are repeated cheaters and don't fool yourself that they are innocent in all of this. They knew perfectly well what they are doing. And they knew it's wrong but greed makes you do stupid things as i allready said.
Will they get punished or not is yet to be seen. Sadly there is a mentality that some people can not do no wrong. They cheat, demand real money for game benefits, deceive, buy and sell charachters etc. but they are still seen as heroes and shrewd bussines men. It's ok. Their right. But i can only laugh when it's their turn to be screwed by those persons. No crying then please. Many small clans leaders are thrilled when they can have 4 facilities which are paid under the table. Is it legal? No. Can admins prove it? If it's happening within the game yes. It was punished before. But anything happening outside of game? For admins - there is no such world outside of the game.
Stuff about this game being bussines, that they should hire people to do translations etc...never gona happen. Forget it. They have some employees and that is it. This game can not be global game. It's only in russia. Legal in russia under their laws i suppose but once it is advertised in europe/use/name it - it's illegal. End of story.
I think the lea
Older players already had a MG advantage, because back then monsters would raise only 1 level per time, stats and resistances could reach zero, and they gave less exp.
So it was very good to farm them for MG points. Newer players lost gameplay meta, and are forever behind. Now newer players will be even further left behind, because now monsters will be even tougher to kill.
I think the least admins could do, would be giving a drastic reduction in EXP reward, and/or double the amount of MG points, just so newer players won't get so screwed by this change.
You have to laugh at this. Older players (like me) are screwed by any change to the game. It is easier and easier to get FSP for new players. Why do you think so many people restart their accounts when they reach level 20+? WG introduction, MG extra fights, CG changes, events all the time (not before and they did not give guild points). MY charachter at level 15 is laughable compared to totaly average charachter level 15 at this time. | | Yeah there are about 5 or 6 times as many quests as 'back then' which will surely soften the blow. I have the few quests that were available back then at around lvl20. And then a lot more that are still lvl1-3 which have been introduced since | | those old players have advantage of higher level. i doubt top guys care about these restarters :) | What you think is top level guy (22,23) is just an empty charachter. Sold to highest bidder to be used in war fights.
Original players restarted and have a lower level charachter. Venom is one of them. | for mellor et al.:
Don't let this pastime entertainment game poison your life! It's just a game owners use as business to make money! (whatever Lexa says in his profile - ROFL!...)
Just relax and enjoy the game between the breaks in your real life.
If you want to meaningfully fight for justice, equality, fairness, ethics: do it in real life! - here is much more lack and need of it there than in this game! | There is much more lack and need of it there than in this game!
(stupid stone-age forum can't even edit one's post...) | | Just relax and enjoy the game between the breaks in your real life. + | well opening this topic won't do anything
I am sure this has been discussed in details in RU version
cheaters or not we can't do anything and banning a player for a short period or Deducting
his gold balance will make no different for them because they already got the advantage of whatever bug they were using long time ago | Yes. This is ga game and admins earn money from it. Which is perfectly correct.
What is wrong is support of cheaters. Here and in real life. If some support this kind of behaviour i'm sure it's the same in RL. I won't change this here and i won't change that in RL. It's just sad and i am sad at this fact. That is all. Searching for excuses that ''it might not be cheating, it's a grey area, etc.'' is just that, supporting cheating or as they would say it, ingenuity.
BTW, Warlock, your clan leader is Tindios. Ask him how fun it is to listen to AD members complaining at taxes and how fun it is to deal with extortion. And what can he do? Nothing, it's a game. | So in short just like in real life when one robs a store, that person goes to jail. But when a banker embezzle money worth more than all the robberies combined, then that banker gets a fine which looks a lot to the average person but in reality is not even 5-10% of what that banker embezzled.
The reason? Plain and simple, that banker pours in more money into the economy than those robbers. Same thing here. These 'cheaters' pour in more donations. So while a lesser or non donator would get severely punished, they will get a slap on their wrists. Sure, a 30 million fine will look a lot to the rest of us while that fined person probably made 200+ million from it. | | And to the person or persons somehow not understanding about the market buys. Let me explain it fully then: The gold those cheaters got from those monster hunts? Like hundreds and hundreds of millions in gold? They used that ill-gotten gold to buy up tons and tons of elements, estates and whatnots. The buying of those drove up the prices for the rest of us that play fair. If you still find that totally legal and are okay with that, then there is nothing left to say to you. | for mellor:
yea im wondering how he didnt get any penalty, compared to me when i just sold stuff without auction. | | pay more = less penalty |
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