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| Author | combat balance fixing for dark elves needed |
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So, in fact Dark elves aren't that weak =)
I'm a level 8 Demon there, with Demon and DE skills both lvl5. I had a Dark elf /magic affinity/ at the tournament and I think he was the toughest adversary of those I defeated (not talking about those who defeated me).
Actually, the only thing that saved me was the DE skill contra his absence of any Demonic experience =)
Players intimidated by low numbers of the troops should just remember that they are much stronger if compared to the same tier of other factions. And it does require some some serious tactical skills to play with a DE. | I have an idea:
poissoners are weak due to 1HP damage from poisson. If they will do more damage (for axample 2-4 like is described poissoners basic statistisc), maybe paying 7k gold, 40 wood and 30 sulphur dont be pure lost.
Telling that I should buy artifacts to defeat naked elf is for me demagogy. That difference in cost of life is strictly sign of unbalance!
How look combat of dark elf and elf? DE step forward with rogues and LC to have druids in range. Then elf is shooting and shooting and shooting - due to his speed bonuses. Druids make stoneskin to FK and bowmens (def bonus for free) and killing rogues and LC. DE may only reduce HP of druids (34HP with spell is over the dreams) or kill few bowmens. Then with luck DE kill 2-3 druids or 10-15 FK - druids of course still devastating rogues and LK with lighting. When minotaurs at least kill first elf's stacks, there is after the fight - rogues are killed, LK almost killed.
Tell me big brains how to change this situation? WITHOUT spending 20-30k gold for artefacts because elf dont need them | http://www.heroeswm.com/warlog.php?warid=468272811
watch this, it says everything | for DivinaDemon:
the only thing that this battle is telling me is that some Elf absolutely unnecessary have called second Elf to help him with some NPC Rogues...
rapra though is quite right that an average Elf with arts have an advantage over an average DE with arts. Of course, it is possible for any fraction to defeat another in particular battle, but a smart and creative Elf is a killing machine. This does not look like a balance.
I can hardly say it more precisely than this poster (in .ru I think) - "To play with Dark Elves is not easy, but it's fun" }
And yes, Poisoners are just an expensive and useless luxury. | | why level 4??? it is level 5 | you guys are full of it, i've beaten everyclass at one point or another which further proves that it's all about tactics(and sometimes if my mana is full)
i've beaten elves, dark elves(hav e some trouble though), knights, deamons,mages, and even other necromancers
so stop crying and start thinking after all they always say the grass is greener on the other side and this is true. | | so why did you change fraction to elf, the Master? | 26
haha you just started your journey in level 3. of course you can beat anyone with ease in lvl 1 - 2. | but we discuss about 5lvl and above, that You didnt note.
Why do You judge after reading last post? Read all topic and then discuss! | | I must say, that DE at level 3 seems to be very strong. But then it goes weaker and weaker, he has a lack of options. In group battles, everyone shoot first on rogues and it takes eternity for minotaurs to get to the battle. I started to be upset playing with DE ... | I'm a lvl 6 DE, and yes, I agree Elves are overpowered in a sense. If I know I'm going against elves, I do everything I can to increase spell power. That way i can wipe out a line of Druids with Spikes. Yet, if the Elf was smart, he/she would space the druids one extra square apart. (This is for duels, for group it's a different story) Unfortunately, Divina is right, before you get to your hero you are submitted to 4-5 druid lightnings, and maybe two 7 stack bows, which shoot twice each per turn. And that's in conjunction with luck (most never go into battle without luck) and with "Favored Enemy". Which, in my opinion, should be nerfed. So while it takes 2 moves to get across the board, you are generally pummeled until then. Which is generally why the strategy of maximizing minos and lizards is the best since they can hopefully survive the onslaught and any FK encounters. Rogues will generally die quickly.
In the meantime, lizards are strong, yes, however, they neither have the range, or ability to go past obstacles like that of Barbarian Rocs or Knight's Griffins. It is quite easy to block liz advances with some puny 1 stack FK. As for minos, they have to be among the slowest units ever, like Ogres. Personally, I believe DEs are shafted until they get Shrews. But in that case, they are treated like rogues at low-levels--they get targeted and slaughtered first.
And I think we've all been in group battles with 2 Elves on one side that manage to obliterate the opposition before even breaking their own line. Yet at lvl 5 I had a team that killed 3 elves one side, but that required a Necro ally and a Barbarian.
But hey, every faction's got their strengths and weaknesses, and I still love my DEs.
[Player banned by moderator Zyanya until 2009-03-17 12:45:41 // Do not dig up very old topics from forums - warning.] | Unless stated below, I am talking
I'm elf... and I will agree that they are overpowered and that DE never wins against me at this level.
However, I would also say that barbarian is stronger-at least against elf. I have played them twice with different strategies and have not won. They have high initiative orcs so that I never get my archers turn before theirs, and my archers basically do no damage. Then they have wolf riders (which they can get the first strike with if they are smart), ogres which have 50!!! hp, and my druids are basically useless because of their magic resistance.
(I would still like to try another strategy against level 5 barbarian though... so if one reads this, let me know if you want to battle :P)
Also, somewhere in this thread, someone said level 5 knight is almost unbeatable... not true. I have fought them 3 times in duel an never have they won. (although last fight against knight was a very interesting strategy they used... and the closest one got to beating me... i think) | | closed by Zyanya (2009-03-17 14:45:48) |
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