| Author | amunition points |
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the minimum ap thing is stupid i will say this time and time again its costing us 800 gold at least a time to fight just 2 earn a stupid 70 gold and some ore or 200 gold its stupid and i demand it stops
anyone that agrees sign below |
its costing us 800 gold at least a time
how come? it costs me less than 100g a battle to wear a min of 8 AP |
| with a high labors guild and effective theiveing minimum ap fights can be more than managed, start doing merc quests the elements you get can really be a nice boost to your gold income. |
| still very expensive and you don't always get elements from merc quests and thieves guild is really expensive to get into |
| true but its manageable you just have to work hard at it |
for Mihaip:
it was a long discussion on this subject before even this rule to come into being. believe me, you will achieve nothing by starting again such a post. more than that, you will just meet some people who believe that this rule is necessary (if you can imagine that). so, my suggestion for you would be to try to refrain your frustration because nobody will do anything about and fighting in this post will not do anything but to increase your frustration up to angriness. for your information there is even a clan which purpose is to raise members against the ap rule.
and you can consider yourself lucky you didn't choose a worse faction (like mine). :D
good luck! |
I ARGEE.
That's why the Anti AP is create.
Many left game because of this.
Like 1 of the top player:Barbarnas666. |
seriously! dont you guys know you get to resell a 0 durability art for 65% you paid back? it is only costing me less than 100g to do a battle with 8 AP
why even send you used arts for someone else to repair? that will only makes you pay more, the new AP rule has really almost not affect me at all |
100-150g for 1 battle if need min AP. Not many so stop whining please.
many players left? Barbanas666? Who is it? =) people online not decrease and only increase.
As for ap rule - almost in all my battles i need full arts, or at least 3-5 arts.
Another whining topik... topikstarter - dont like game - dant play it. You cant change anything here. |
If i look at the right top, only more players are playing :P
First it was always around 900-1000 with a max of 1100
Now i see 1300 and 1400 sometimes =)
So that many people left isnt true at all!!
Maybe a few people, that i can count on one hand, and where no one ever heard of, so we dont care if they are gone |
| i too want the AP rule to stop |
you're not even level 5.
And no matter how many topics you open, it wont disappear, so please stop whining |
*musing* Wonder if number of AP topics is related to moon phases, or sun activity...
On lvl 6 one battle costs around 60 gold. It means that hunts pay for themselves, not to mention that hunts aren't there to earn you gold - LG is.
TG expensive? Of course it is. But what does min AP have to do with it? You can't hope to win w/o arts in ambushes anyway.
MG? Sure, you don't get elements every quest. But they are worth more than 50 gold, no? ;) |
the minimum ap thing is stupid i will say this time and time again its costing us 800 gold at least (...) anyone that agrees sign below
I sign that your math is wrong. You are off by a mile. |
Unbelivable. I need 10 fights to have cost from 800 gold. In the meantime I did earn 2,550 gold with working in the ore mine. That means that in ten fights I only make a plus about 1,750. That means each fight I earn only 175 gold - if I lose. If I win I only earn 300 gold each fight.
This is a outrage. I demand that I make more money! |
Yeah! my favorite topic ;)
AP rule is a tax, and taxes are made to slow things down, This time its combat-tax so someone wanted to limit fights or maybe exp gained by players. @10 How sure you are that this increase ( which i don't see) is not just army of low level multis not affected by AP rule? |
the minimum ap thing is stupid i will say this time and time again its costing us 800 gold at least
from my opinion is that you don't even try to count, just say that so everyone can be provoked by you. but looks like here the most posts says that they disagree with you. i too disagree.
a stupid 70 gold and some ore
70+184=254g. hunt with 8AP cost only about 70-90 if you choose the right equipment. feel free to experiment on which equipment that is cost the least |
AP rule is a tax, and taxes are made to slow things down, This time its combat-tax so someone wanted to limit fights or maybe exp gained by players.
You cannot be more wrong.
The AP rule _does not_ slow things down. In fact it speeds up your progress!
Let me explain, why:
If you fight with arts, you get more exp/battle. And also you are stronger so that you can win much more battles. And more battles + more exp/battle = much quicker levelling.
I have seen many players saying things like 'exp is evil' and 'if you level up too fast you will be weaker'.
Everyone, please stop saying bullcrap like this. At higher levels, when you will be struggling for several months to get from level 8 to level 9, or something like that, you will _never_ say again that 'exp is bad'.
(On a side note: if you are ever planning to be a thief, then start thieving as soon as you get to level 8, because at higher levels caravans are very hard.)
Second thing:
The game's economy badly needed the AP rule. Before the rule almost noone bought arts from facilities so there weren't any good jobs. The only exceptions were the times when events (like tournaments) were held.
And speaking of the 'I've got no gold for arts' thing:
For me each ambush costs about 1300 gold. But my income is approx 600/hour if I manage enroll in a factory, and I make up the rest from trading and using the remains of my sold TGI. So not only minimal AP battles cannot cause financial problems, but even a high level player with good labour skill can afford one full arts battle in every 1.5-2 hours!
For admins:
Could you make some local rule to ban opening complaining topics about the AP rule, just like you did about 'elves/necros/anything is overpowered' topics?
Because this one is the umphteenth one.... |
| Exp is bad :-D |
so, not AP rule speeds progress, but fighting with arts and it's not the same.
And about economy thing, why not to make fluent prices of arts based on how many of them are in stock, or why not to give discounts when you buy more then x ? it would vitalize economy in the same way as AP rule does.
I'm talking from low level pvp player position, probably on higher levels AP rule is not so annoying
Don't be afraid of complains about Ap rule they won't change anything, most players already accepted it... so there is no need for censorship |
