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I was interested in this for a while. I am still thinking if I should begin with some smart cheating myself. I can see players who have someone, playing from same computer sending plenty of arts for rent for free, elements for enchanting for free. I have checked the top 100 list. There are people who do this, combat level 10 - level 12.
But is this really the game intention? There are rules that people broke. 6 months without penalty. Think about it as a whole. Everytime a cheater creates gold by breaking a rule and sending 1 000 000 from his "brother" account, the market value of all the gold drops down.
We have to see that some players buy diamonds for real money not only because they like the game and want to help to improve it, but because they want in-game gold. The valuable protected by game rules. But why investment of these people is not protected?
I dont understand why this is being done. I know game programming takes time and money, but imposing a simple penalty is really such a big deal? Such a big deal that it take 6 months to think about every single case? | Interesting points.
But remember. People who never cheat yet are successful, (like us ;) have the moral high ground. The satisfaction of succeeding in the game even though we are surrounded by cheaters is quite something. (The highest level cheater I know of is lvl 12 & I'm sure there are more).
So, may we stand on that high ground and feel satisfaction! | cheating isnt easy. cause u still have to labour with multi and stuff, and its pointless, even if 6 months u will get ban, sometime :D , i was thinking i send from my 2nd when i was totally broke, but then i thought is that money really worth losing account and 3 months of hard work ? if u think of the time u have been playing u will see that cheating is pointless and money comes quite easy the fair way, and sometimes if really broke, just hope that god helps and play roulette ;D when i was broke and had only like 1k gold, i betted like leggy, on 36. and i won and my problems were solved and i was feeling great :D
So all in all cheating is pointless because money comes quite easy if u really need it, and btw u can always loan from ingame friends if really needed, there are nice people who will help, so people, don't cheat, play fair! ;) | @1: it's "dangerous" to say you know cheaters (be it they are low or high levels) without being specific unless you've reported them prior? unfortunately forum rules dictate proof otherwise it's merely hearsay/assumption/speculation.
while i agree it's tempting to cheat cos it's apparent that few ever get blocked/caught, the question at the end of the day is whether you sleep better at night knowing you did the right thing, as @2 put it.
RL is the same, it's not always fair - not all the baddies get their just dessert and the good people sometimes end up losers....so what does YOUR conscience tell u? which side of the line do U choose to walk? | I dont understand why this is being done. I know game programming takes time and money, but imposing a simple penalty is really such a big deal? Such a big deal that it take 6 months to think about every single case?
+1. I think this in the same way. There is no reason why we may not have a system to punish cheaters hard and fast. | for Dionysus:
"homo homini lupus", Thomas Hobbes 1651.
Without law there is only a savage jungle. It's not a metter of "Good" and "Evil", without ANY law we are all evil or dead. Up to now we are not totally without law. Up to now... | it's "dangerous" to say you know cheaters
Its not so dangerous as long as we maintain the off-game forum rules. Not naming them should be part of protection of innocent people who are accused of something but not yet proven. I assure you all I have in mind have been reported.
the question at the end of the day is whether you sleep better at night knowing you did the right thing
The sad thing is the conscience doesnt really work. Its the fear of the consequences that stops people from doing wrong. It doesnt matter if it is church sending you to hell, cops sending you to jail or a penalty. Law and their enforcement changes society in multiple ways and I think it would change the game enviroment too. Not talking about some witch hunt, but reasonable hand of justice, hand that does what we cannot. | Few points here:
1. A cheater doesn't have any remorse - he/she is happy he/she broke the rules and goes further with that (if he/she even bothered to read the rules). Sleep is not affected.
2. Why would you care the others are growing faster by cheating? Do they affect your own development? Do they affect your strategy?
3. There are rules, it's true. But if the admins consider to let unpunished those you call cheaters, then I don't see the point in challenging their decisions.
4. If you want to cheat, there is always a way to cheat without any way to be detected, or worse, even detected, not to be touched. If you want, I can give you a method I've seen it here and there is no way you can be punished even caught.
I play my game as I want and I don't allow myself to be touched by what I see here. And, excepting the only one staged combat I did once in this game, you can check me in details, I don't cheat.
And you know what? Cheating doesn't bring you satisfaction, but only adrenaline. Playing fairly brings you a lot of satisfaction. So, let the cheaters die on heart attack and you to live in satisfaction! :)
Cheers! | 2. Why would you care the others are growing faster by cheating? Do they affect your own development? Do they affect your strategy?
Sure, lost of gold affects market prices. We are competing on the same market. As well we are offering same services like smithing and enchanting. Competition always cuts profits, even more when it is an unfair competition.
4. If you want to cheat, there is always a way to cheat without any way to be detected, or worse, even detected, not to be touched.
Sure, make a clan for 24/day enrollment with people you call friends and trust "visiting" each other on great distances just to enroll. | Sure, make a clan for 24/day enrollment with people you call friends and trust "visiting" each other on great distances just to enroll.
Do you call that smart cheating? This is obvious for everybody (including the admins).
Sure, lost of gold affects market prices. We are competing on the same market. As well we are offering same services like smithing and enchanting. Competition always cuts profits, even more when it is an unfair competition.
Hmm... Really? Don't you think I knew about that when I was writing that message? There is at least one person who I know he/she is cheating to increase SG while my clan is working hard to help our smiths. I wanted to report that person, but, in the end, what the heck, why should I consume my nerves on a cheater? More than that, even if I tell you how that person cheated you cannot touch that player. The way of cheating allows that player to go on unpunished whatever you would do. | Do you call that smart cheating?
Of course password transfer is hard to prove and I have seen guys get away with this after 1 year with 1 gold penalty. Of course it wasnt a clan(there was one doing that), but most people got away with it writing in their profiles we are friends and visit each other. And yes, cheaters affect other players and their game. | And how do you distinguish between the truth and cheating? As it happens, I do have friends I visit and they visit me. Would you consider cheating when the truth is told? Well, that sounds like a little bit of paranoia if one starts to think that way. But nobody can stay 24/7 up, so, that is an obvious cheat if somebody do it like that.
Still, even with that cheat, you need a lot of time to manage to feel some effects from that cheat. | And how do you distinguish between the truth and cheating?
"We are friends in rl and visit each other houses." And they had their cities writen in profiles. 3-4 towns, 200 miles away from each other, so if they visit each other daily, it is not a paranoia, but a lie, unless they use a private jet to enroll. But anyway, how can a lie be proven through internet? | | And how do you know from where one is logged in to allow yourself to say that? That message is for when they visit each other as I do with my friends (and there are 2000 km in between us). | | No way to prove, but know how it is. :) | | Topic moved from "Off-game forum" to "General game forum". | money comes quite easy the fair way, and sometimes if really broke, just hope that god helps and play roulette
To steer the discussion back to something productive. Yes, there are clean ways, they just take a little more effort. | I don't know why i cheated,
and i'm starting to think, this game doesn't need strategy, it needs patient in lab guild | | @18: I can assure you: At higher levels gold is important, but stategy even more. | | @19: agree |
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