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| Author | Allowing only 1 update per clan thread per day |
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| I agree with this rule, more clear.
I suggested it to Kotrin a few weeks ago, one concern and good point from Kotrin is:
How about a clan really need some discussion over a clan issue? a few msg per day limit will just kill the discussion. (sorry, not the original word, but the similar meaning. :)
I didn't have a good solution at that time, but now, I think it may be done by set up a "gap-time", like the 1 hour gap in trading forum. For example, if the maximum msg is 2 per day, then 12 hours gap. no matter how many msg is posted in a clan thread during the gap, no bump. If 4 per day, then 6 hours gap.
And only clanmates are allowed to post in his/her clan thread, to avoid someone sink other clan's topic on purpose.
my 2 cents | 1.4. Moderators have a right to settle additional local rules in forum branches, if those rules do not contradict with the game rules
Just a matter of concern: How will these new rules be communicated to players? | The point of this rule is to prohibit clan's thread bumping.
IMO, Clan's thread is supposed to serve as a communication media to non-members or potential members.
If we want to discuss clan issue between it's members... I think almost all clans already have independent forum. We can use that can't we?
My point is... welcoming a new member, updating info that now clan has 1 more enchanter, or the clan enchanter now can make higher percentage is not an URGENT information and has to be informed more than once / day :)
for God5end:
I have another suggestion regarding of the new rule and how it should be socialized.
I think it is better to have a specific clan where it's members are Clan Leaders, Moderators, and Empire. Mods can be assigned as recruiter so they can invite new clan leaders.
Whenever there is a new rule, Empire can post a message through it's clan mail with link to the new rule. Empire doesn't have to write in English (if you concern about it:) ).
Just a message like this should be sufficient.
Subject : NEW RULE
Body : There is a New rule.
Please read in https://www.lordswm.com/....... | sorry... incidentally click the Post Message button.
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And then clan leaders can send mail to socialize this new rule through clan mail system to it's members. | | Good idea h4nd. But just to add on to your idea, the rule-communicating clan should invite an additional representative from the clan - a second-in-command, just in case the leader is on vacation from this game. This would at least inmprove the success rate of this clan. In addition, It would be nice if there was a sticky post on the clan forums detailing mod-based rules, so that new clan leaders can have easy access to those rules, in addition to allowing new rules to be update via the stickied post | IMO, Clan's thread is supposed to serve as a communication media to non-members or potential members.
Agree with this, but as I know, potential members are not allowed to ask "can I join your clan?" in clan forum.
Whenever there is a new rule, Empire can post a message through it's clan mail with link to the new rule. Empire doesn't have to write in English (if you concern about it:) ).
This is a good idea. How about Admin or Empire write mass msg (in PM box) to every player to inform any new game rules and new updating. I believe it can be easily done, and more effeicent than forum. Not every player read forum. (opps, this should be in another suggestion topic, since we are talking about forum ruls. :) | The point of this rule is to prohibit clan's thread bumping.
Clan thread bumping cannot go (unfortunately). It is seen as a means of advertising for one's clan and is likely to continue, no matter what we decide here - even with 1 message a day max. I can't count the cases where people bumped some thread knowing they would receive a forum ban. What is not acceptable is to give the top position to a clan making "more noise" than others by posting pointless messages every couple minutes.
IMO, Clan's thread is supposed to serve as a communication media to non-members or potential members. If we want to discuss clan issue between it's members... I think almost all clans already have independent forum. We can use that can't we?
We can't ask every clan leader to create an independent forum, it's not a prerequisite for clan ownership. There are young players owning a clan or people not tech-savvy and this simple task is beyond their skill. Whatever the reason, it can't be a requirement. And since it can't be a requirement, it can't be used as a reason not to use clan forum to communicate. It would not be good to let forum-less clans to use the clan forum more for this very reason, would it?
welcoming a new member, updating info that now clan has 1 more enchanter, or the clan enchanter now can make higher percentage is not an URGENT information and has to be informed more than once / day :)
Right again, but if these news can be adequately sent to members via clan mail, what is the clan thread used for then?
I just think allowing update of clan thread once per day is too restrictive, but that's just my 0.02. | I understand your point, Kotrin, and I understand your opposition point. I could say that both are correct, unfortunately.
On one hand there are clans which have the purpose to attract new members, while, on the other hand there is the rule of "bumping" which is in contradiction with the policy of those clans.
Well, I see only one solution to that: to split the clan forum in two: clan-advertisement and clan-general. In the first branch, bumping should be allowed, while in the second branch only the clan leaders (or his/her replacement) and non-clan members to be allowed to post (for the discussions between clan representative and the rest). For the intra-clan debates there is clan chat and clan mail (e.g., the clan representative sets an appointment on clan chat with the clan members and debates there, summarizing the results in a clan mail, and who missed the appointment can send his/her opinions via mail, which, in case a new valid point was brought, can lead to another appointment in the clan chat). Sure, it is easier to have a forum, but I don't suppose that one intra-clan debate needs to be made publicly.
About external forums, Kotrin, I disagree with you. There are lots of sites providing so many templates (with nice CMS) for free and you don't need to have any knowledge in programing or even hypertext markup language (HTML) to create a clan forum. A clan representative needs just to look around in the other clans to find one such site which suites him/her best (as I did). | Well, I see only one solution to that: to split the clan forum in two: clan-advertisement and clan-general.
Wow, we're way beyond our abilities here. We can update the sticky in clan forum, that's all. None of us may change forum structure. | | Maybe you should make this thread sticky for the admins to see it. :) | Maybe you should make this thread sticky for the admins to see it. :)
We can't do that either XD | | LOL! Then, have a part of the forum which is less populated and allow clans to make advertisement there. It's not correct to stop a clan having its own advertisement, don't you agree with that? | LOL! Then, have a part of the forum which is less populated and allow clans to make advertisement there.
You mean, like saying "ok from now on clans make their advertisement in Trade and Services - Miscellaneous? Or Off-topic?? o_O
It's not correct to stop a clan having its own advertisement, don't you agree with that?
Hey, it's not me who wants to limit clan thread update to once per day!
I accept the idea of clans advertising, but everyone has his own view over what advertisement means. For some, it's being in the first page of clan forum. For others, it's being in the top 10, top 5 or top 3 clan threads. For others again, it's being on top at all costs, so the clan name can be seen even from the main forum page. What is an "acceptable" advertisement level? And considering there are too many contenders, what would be a fair system giving everyone his chance while keeping the clan forum clean of most garbage?
Frankly, I don't know! | You mean, like saying "ok from now on clans make their advertisement in Trade and Services - Miscellaneous? Or Off-topic?? o_O
Yeap, something like that. I know it sounds silly, but at least it will keep the clan forum clean and within the restrictions imposed for that part of forum.
What is an "acceptable" advertisement level?
In the real world, "acceptable" advertisement level is as much as the company doesn't break any law. I would translate here by having no limits (like in the trade part of forum) if the thread is created in the correct part of the forum. If you don't create a way to let the clans to have their own advertisement, you will end up with more and more recruiters spaming your mailbox and with more and more players bumping their favorite threads knowing they will get bans. So, which option do you prefer?
And considering there are too many contenders, what would be a fair system giving everyone his chance while keeping the clan forum clean of most garbage?
Either I don't fully understand your question or you suggest a little bit of totalitarianism here. I suppose each clan is responsible for deciding what is garbage and what is not when it's about posts. The only "garbage" which should be cleaned in those threads (advertisement threads) is coming from clan non-members and there you should interfere. | what would be a fair system giving everyone his chance while keeping the clan forum clean of most garbage
Isn't it fair enough when all clan have the same chance to update it's thread only once / day?
And it is easier for Mods too. You just check the date and time.
If the previous post is less than 1 day (24 hours) -> ban. No question asked :) | The rules are meant to protect the community--not harass it.
I wish more people would participate in the forums, but they don't. Maybe if clans were to post interesting things that people want to read--more would come.
So rather than find more reasons to restriction forum communication, why not come up with reasons to promote them--instead? Help build up a community, rather than kick it around because it doesn't behave the way you want it to. | well no bumping rule had just limited the no. of posts in a clan thread and if we just want to add an info but anyhow forgot to write something very important then couldn't we just add a one more post to complete our announcement of info.
Well if still restricting needed 1 post is really insane and very much less it should be like 3 or 4 not more than that.
and in all 3-4 posts only important info should be displayed | Please look at the Clan forum (after new rule), and could you tell me that all the post in those threads are so urgent that they should be posted ASAP and for more than once / day?
It is very funny to read what kind of messages are there to avoid the ban. That's the reason why I am not reading the clan forum right now :)
This is just a suggestion and we have a discussion about it, so you may or may not agree with it. Feel free to do that.
After all, it is definitely not my authority to decide about it :) |
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