| Author | What's wrong with so many people here? (Group Battles) |
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https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1832843
# Introduce options for arts/no arts combat types. Technical impossibility to join the "wrong" combat type. :D
There are also clans made to GB without encountering this problem too |
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#21 lol great. Admin put it in! Now! ;)
Which clans? |
#21 lol great. Admin put it in! Now! ;)
You misunderstood the post...
Ideas and suggestions proposed by players multiple times:
1. Remove the item deterioration or increase durability.
2. Introduce options for arts/no arts combat types. Technical impossibility to join the "wrong" combat type.
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Hello
I must say I am a little confused with this topic as I see a contradiction.
On one hand the topic creator claims (with fair and reasonable justification) that many group combats are rorted with restrictions that favour one side or one participant.
I have seen group battles where one side has an unfair level restriction or one player breaches their own AP rule that they try to enforce on everyone else. Then of course we get players who join battles with multiple characters and who deliberately AFK.
However this topic creator then goes on to say that a battle can only be fair if AP limitations are enforced.
I find this an absolute cop out and very manipulative i.e. on one hand argue against dubious and frankly rigged group combats, and then using that very argument to endorse another type of unfair restriction in group combats i.e. AP limiations.
It is a simple fact that the fairest combat system is one that allows you the choice to wage war at your fullest potential; or at a lower potential at your own risk.
Punishing players (by blocking them from group combat) because they chose to be patient and put in the effort to afford a full artifact set will of course hurt the game. What is the future of a game that protects the lazy and isolates the hard working?
You don't need to be a genius to see what would happen.
Cheers |
Kotrin,
Have you ever played seriously using knights? I observed my games played by knights and wizards and I myself also played a lot vs wizards. I am pretty confident to say that I am an experienced knight. But the sad thing is unless a knight knows his opponent, knights lose to wizards. |
#25: If I think your thoughts to an end, duel player shouldn't have the right to withdraw a duel. It's their fault if they are lazy and don't have best arts and get punished by some high equipped hardcore player. Right?
/sarcasm off
Players who want to play in full arts search others who want it too. (See that "Full Art" battles?) They probably do it to have the full war potential and are probably disappointed if someone in minimum arts join.
I really don't have a problem if someone wears one art more or less, but there are many players just looking for some easy opponent to kick into the ground. You can call me lazy, but I don't see why I should respect this "hard workers" for their enrolling effort. And it's annoying to some of them not using any tactics, but simply roll into the field like a tank.
But I don't want this thread closed. If anyone has other good advices to avoid this situations now, please tell me. |
| And it's annoying to *see some of them not using any tactics, but simply roll into the field like a tank. |
Kotrin,
I do agree that administrators are doing their best to improve the game and balance the game. however, it is really really hard to get things balanced. But what I wanted to say is that people tend to play an unbalanced game instead of a balanced game. Each time when I create a game (random with 4 players), half of the time, I will get a wizard as my only opponent (they join at the very last minute or close to the last minute) to play an unbalanced duel with me. And the results are obvious, most of the time I lose (I win only when wizards don't play correctly). I have also seen many wizards's game ending up as a duel with a barb.
Unless the administrators make the game completely balanced, people always try to take advantage. Whether wearing full arts or min AP is not the key issue. |
Hi Nutella
#25: If I think your thoughts to an end, duel player shouldn't have the right to withdraw a duel. It's their fault if they are lazy and don't have best arts and get punished by some high equipped hardcore player. Right? - Hey there you go, why are you complaining? - You can already enforce your AP rule.
...but I don't see why I should respect this "hard workers" for their enrolling effort. ... - Fair enough, but why should you disrespect them by denying them? And please don't say that won't happen. Being denied access to approx 50% of group battles or more will obviously have an impact.
Am I wrong when I say: It is a simple fact that the fairest combat system is one that allows you the choice to wage war at your fullest potential; or at a lower potential at your own risk. and Punishing players (by blocking them from group combat) because they chose to be patient and put in the effort to afford a full artifact set will of course hurt the game. What is the future of a game that protects the lazy and isolates the hard working?? Answer: I don't think so!
Cheers |
And it's annoying to *see some of them not using any tactics, but simply roll into the field like a tank. - That is what any sensible barbarian or demon faction should do as a tactic.
Elves like to box themselves in a corner even when they have full arts.
Cheers |
| So Ravensclaw you think that it is fair when you say in battle description 10AP max and you join with your full arts? It is interesting battle? Well maybe for you it is... for me it is not. |
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Hi Danzi
So Ravensclaw you think that it is fair when you say in battle description 10AP max and you join with your full arts? It is interesting battle? Well maybe for you it is... for me it is not.
There is no rule breach by doing so. If you want to handicap yourself that is fine, but I don't see why those who don't should be punished.
Is there any consistent reason why people chose minimum art battles other than because they have put themselves in a position where they can't afford better artifacts? Of course not!
Should we go a step further where those level 5 or more should not be allowed to use units from upgraded castles because someone else in the group battle couldn't afford to upgrade their Tier 1 unit? Surely this would have a similar impact to a group battle as a significant armour point difference?
Cheers |
You must be joking!
How so? Elves often have their archers boxed in a corner surrounded and "protected" by their druids while their sprites and forestkeepers try to help keep unwanted enemies away from their archers.
Cheers |
| And why should people who did not join year ago suffer from those who enrolled lets say 700 times and are still level 5? Battle is unfair too 5 or 3 people who followed ap limit. Person with much more ap will just run over other team like a tank and than we can t call this game stratagy and it is stratagy. After some time people will lose intrest in this game as there is no fun enrolling for weeks(months) just too have enough gold for better arts at low level. If you want full arts game join one or write full arts or nothing and make game fair. |
#33 Thanks for advice but I'm too lazy to quite correctly ;) I will think about the clan.
#30
"It is a simple fact that the fairest combat system is one that allows you the choice to wage war at your fullest potential; or at a lower potential at your own risk."
It's no fact, it's your thesis. Like this: "Answer: I don't think so!"
You can think or believe what you want, there are many players who are annoyed.
Maybe the question is: Why do I want to play these battles with forced AP. I like battles that are as fair as possible, won mostly through skill. And I draw my hat, if someone beats me through intelligent playing (Yeah, I know, there's no perfect balance between contrahents and factions, but you can get near to). Where is the skill in joining last minute with a set of arts, which makes one unbeatable? Please explain. Hours of enrolling? Patience? There are enough elements in game that reward patience and much gold.
Why do I want to play in minimum arts? I have little gold and refuse to buy arts, which are blown into an afk battle, for example. And you often meet afk people at lvl 5, it's annoying enough to wait, I don't need to spend gold into it. I will surely do full art gb later, but not at this stage of game surrounded by people who don't care at all.
I just want to have good, fair fights, fun and I love to be forced to strategy. This goes down the river, when the full equipped hero, who doesn't even can say "hello" comes into game.
C'mon, poor full art players get isolated because noone wants to play with them. Do you really believe in this or just like to see your readings? |
*like to see your writings.
Excuse my English, I try hard, but no native. |
Hi
Before I address the new points and angles I feel I should mention a few things.
You can set AP limits in duels and you can set AP limits in clan battles where there is an agreement within the clans to enforce an AP limit. Why isn't this enough?
I have had other players complain to me by personal mail because I was so "dishonourable" I dared to wear full artifacts while ambushing another player or because I was so "dishonourable" I dared to wear full artifacts whilst traveling on mercenary quests (and having the hide to not be a victim when I got ambushed).
My original observation was that this topic criticised rorts in group combat and then sought to justify another type of rort in group combats.
Getting back to the discussion
Should Usain Bolt inflict himself with polio to make 100 metre sprints fairer for his opponents? I'm sure the new 100 metre champion would laugh at his stupidity.
It is very difficult in this game to get an exactly fair fight. You have faction levels, hunter levels, mercenary levels , thief levels, labourer levels, gambler guild levels, the age and iq of participants, make up of your forces, distribution of your forces, randomness of initiative, morale and luck, robustness and factional makeup of your allies, the battlemap, the size of your castle, mini artifacts, talents chosen etc etc etc all have various effects on the fairness of a combat, some of which have a greater impact than others.
Is it a foul if someone gets luck on their first big hit? Is it a foul to use enchantments? Is it a foul to take a gamblers drink before battle? Is it a foul to have my castle fully constructed and optimised to my level? is it a foul if I got lucky 5 times and you twice even though we had the same luck score? If it is not a foul for any of these then it surely is not for the amount of artifacts I chose to use in a battle.
C'mon, poor full art players get isolated because noone wants to play with them. Do you really believe in this or just like to see your readings? - If 50% of group battles have AP restrictions then of course the opportunity for full art players to join group combats is greatly diminished. It is hard enough already to get a 6 person combat going when there is only 600 people online.
As Kotrin said: - If people can FORCE AP level, why bother enrolling and purchasing artifacts in the first place? We'll only see min AP battles, I'm ready to bet.
- Giving an advantage to people wearing arts is pushing people to enroll and involve in the game.
- Factions are not balanced depending on AP level. Game is only balanced with full arts in mind.
The only way of protecting you from high AP players is to set full AP battles. But that's much more work to you.
When I fight, I will fight to the best of my ability. If you beat me you will have earned it. Diminishing my potential is not fighting to the best of my ability. I fail to see why I should do that for the benefit of people too lazy to enrol enough to maximise their potential.
Cheers |
What's wrong with so many people here? (Group Battles)
for Nutella:
Nothing wrong! as u fight lower level too!
chavesinis[4], Sintax[3] vs Nutella[4], CastleKnight[4] |
