| Author | So you failed to reach your TGI contract in time. |
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TGI RENTING - A SOLUTION
I haven't heard of any blocked chars for unreturned TGI *YET* but it will certainly happen - we are in a grace period or something, let's use it while it lasts.
Here is what I propose.
1. If You received a TGI, you have to SEND A TGI back. That's the most important point, the only surefire solution to avoid blocking.
Admins may or may not check that the "equivalent" of a TGI value has been returned. If I were you, I would avoid the risk of a misunderstanding!
2. If you have enough gold to get a TGI from the market, DON'T send gold equivalent to TGI. BUY A TGI from the market and return it to your lender. This way it's 100% clean.
3. If you don't have enough gold for 2., you can plea a BREACH OF CONTRACT and see if your lender is okay with that. It means the renting deal is null and void and he should return you all the gold/arts he received from you (minus some penalties, to be discussed with him) while YOU will use these returned funds to buy a TGI as per 2.
I guess any TGI lender will certainly prefer having his TGI back instead of keeping 12'000 gold, a pair of Thief boots and losing his TGI to a blocked borrower!
4. If you don't have enough gold for 2. even using 3. (or have a lender refusing the deal) then you can TAKE A LOAN from a third party and then proceed with 2. You have one month to return the loan.
Should you face a hard time paying the loan back, nothing in rules prevents you from borrowing more (to someone else) to repay a previous loan. All in all, you may close the issue in one or two months at most.
Currently, TGI are darn cheap on the market. It won't last, so take advantage of that.
The other possible solution is to close your eyes and hope for the best, but don't complain if your beloved character gets suddenly blocked without notice. |
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Here is an idea I havent heard yet. Remove them from the thieves guild.
I wouldn't bet on any solution requiring action from administration. And as you said, plenty of people have already lost their TGI to careless players.
I was under the assumption that when other rule changes took place that all activity that was not illegal before the rule change was not subject to penalties. So all lending or TGI deals that were entered into legally within the rules at that time before the official announcement stating the change in rules would not be subject to any penalties.
You have a point. Yet it changes little, because even under "old" rules all loans have to be returned in one month, and that's the main gripe for TGI borrowers.
Okay, someone managing to get to TG level 5 within one month time frame and returning the TGI will probably not be blocked, despite rule 3.33 ((...)leasing Thief Guild invitations becomes forbidden since December, 01, 2009.).
But honestly, do you think someone failing to achieve TG2 in time will manage to achieve TG5 if given two more weeks? |
to Takesister and Kotrin:
not that I want to argue with you, but thieving was first mentioned here:
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1867272&page=last in post 8. But it was ONLY mentioned, not a single clue about changing rules about releasing TGI only on TG lvl 5.
well, please, consider that I gained both invitations and I was able to win over 250 ambushes during those 14 days. If I could do it, anybody could.
Nevertheless, rules did change too quickly and therefore I agree with Halvspak. |
for overclocker:
Ok i agree , ruls change , leaser didnt have time .
But the point is that can they achieve TG5 in one month ? Even if we see your point and make them start afresh , consider as if they have rented Tgi from 1st december , could they be able to reach TG5 in a month ? Answer this and satisfy me ..... |
You can agree with whoever you want all day long, if players get blocked agreeing with Halvspak will bring little comfort.
The problem we are dealing with has nothing to do with rule change - it has to do with Thieves' Guild change. Now just one TGI given at guild level 5.
And it combines to an old game rule, completely unchanged through internal reformation: All loans must be returned within a month.
If you understand that, you'll understand too that claiming that not enough advance notice was given or any other claim of this kind will fall on deaf ears. It's just *pointless*. No matter how and why one entered Thieves' Guild, from now on the only TGI he will get is at guild level 5. I'm not telling you to dance around in joy because of this change, but it happened, and we have to deal with it.
For realistic and rule-compliant solutions, see post #21.
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1869902&page=1#300045 |
I wouldn't bet on any solution requiring action from administration. And as you said, plenty of people have already lost their TGI to careless players.
I agree it would be an unprecedented move, but that does not mean it is not possible, or quick and easy.
You have a point. Yet it changes little, because even under "old" rules all loans have to be returned in one month, and that's the main gripe for TGI borrowers.
This is true, but it is the "new" rule that is causing them to break the "old" rule. If it was something that was under their control that caused them to break the 1 month loan repayment rule that is one thing, but I hardly think they can be held accountable for a change in the rules or game mechanics. Also in the past if you took a little longer than one month to return the TGI there was some amount of leeway. Penalties were not given out at exactly one month, I am not commenting on if that was right or wrong merely pointing out that the precedent for that does exist.
Really there is only a small number of people that have legitimate complaints. Those are the people who rented a TGI on 11-1 (or perhaps a few days prior) and before 11-14. |
Sorry for double post, had another response before sleeping....
The problem we are dealing with has nothing to do with rule change - it has to do with Thieves' Guild change. Now just one TGI given at guild level 5.
You are correct. Any reference I made in previous posts referring to a new rule is actually a change in game mechanics. However I dont think that changes anything I have previously stated.
I have heard many people complain about fines or penalties saying they are not fair, but few if none had real reasons it was unfair.
Anyone that rented a TGI between 11-1 and 11-14 and gets penalized for not returning it within 1 month would be would be among the first people I know that would have legitimate complaints. At least in my opinion. I really hope all options are explored before penalizing these players for game changes out of their control. |
| TimeWaster is a great friend, will i still get blocked even if that TGI was a sort of gift ? |
For goku:
if the tgi he gave was a gift , then you cant find a loophole by returning it when you get to tg5 |
SO i will be blocked whatever i do ?
Plz help me !!! |
get a loan. (from somebody else)
return TGI
keep getting loans to repay old ones, while slowly paying back (work, work and ambush)
So far the only "legal" way is return TGI by buying one
Return all loans for 1 month - by getting new...
You can easily "make" 50K by working ... so in 5-6 months you'll get away :D |
| How can i repay these big loans in a month ?! |
| keep getting loans to repay old ones, while slowly paying back (work, work and ambush) |
| for Kotrin:yeah why would you risk your 300k more for a 600k penalty or permanant block ? it's not worth it |
I think the answer is easy:
1. whip out credit card (or steal daddy's)
2. pay 80 ˆ
3. enjoy
This is what admins want anyway.... |
| Goku , you have done a mere 30 ambushes in 15 days , 60 a month assumed . @ this rate i do not think you will b able to achieve tg5 within 8 months either. So yes best way is to take a loan and give timewaster a tgi back . |
I think the answer is easy:
1. whip out credit card (or steal daddy's)
2. pay 80 ˆ
3. enjoy
This is what admins want anyway...
Do you realize that 80ˆ won't give you a TGI? Paying 80ˆ lets you enter thieves' guild without an invitation. It makes you a thief able to ambush. It does not generate a TGI in your inventory.
In the beginning there were few thieves, but their number increased exponentially since every new thief created two other ones - one at TG2 and another at TG4. The number of TGI floating around is huge. I will believe the pendulum has gone too far when I see TGI prices booming on the market, but we are far from it. Very far. |
| I feel that Kotrin has thought of acceptable ways to save people who are in this situation from being blocked. Thank you Kotrin. |
| closed by frey12 (2009-12-03 01:41:04) |
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