| Author | Caravan power greatly increased after defeat |
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Type of caravan:
Caravan of barbarians with 3 Roc stacks.
I had 9 AP in both battles.
I calculated how much experience i will recieve, if i win them(Such calculations are true, i proved that).
Previous caravan
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?lt=-1&warid=21490901
Potential exp: 3842.
I lost this battle, so the next caravan of the same type must be weaker, but...
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?warid=489639624<=-1
Potential exp: 4724.
After defeat power of this caravan increased on 23%!
What is this? Does anybody else have such problems in recent time? |
yep it happened for me too :)
when i lose a caravan with 47 hell horses
and the same next caravan type have 17 devils :) |
for CreatorOfWidows:
Rocs and cyclops are not comparable.
for KnightSlayer:
hell horse and devils are not comparable either.
Due to dynamic balancing we can't tell whether these are stronger or weaker. Maybe in the balancing formula 5 hell horse = 1 devil? |
| Sorry, I meant 2 hell horse = 1 devil. So that equates to 23.5 devils turning into 17 devils as being easier. |
Actually it was weaker...
Caravan 1: AS KNIGHT
2x3 Rocs
43 Cyclops
29 hobs
7 gobs
7 ogres
Caravan 2: AS WIZARD
14x3 rocs
99 Orcs Cheifs
21x2 ogres
17 Gobs
For a start due to coefficient varations of factions. Wizard is the hardest faction to thief with.
As a DE i believe it is:
DE 1.0
Knight 1.8
Wizard is 1.9
So wizard caravans are bigger then knights if you change faction.
Also as pantheon said, due to dynamic balancing 99 orc chiefs is easier then 43 cyclops so it increases other stack sizes to try and balance it out at a lower % from the last caravan.
Its hard to explain but your caravan didnt gain 23% it lost about 5% |
DE 1.0
Knight 1.8
Wizard is 1.9
This is no longer present. It ended after big update last autumn. And in February power of caravans raised, but only for DE players as you can see here:
After losing this caravan:
Death Envoys 106
Vampires 171
Vampire Counts 66
Apparitions 208
Ghosts 126
Appeared this caravan next:
Death Envoys 179
Vampires 157
Vampire Counts 28
Apparitions 52
Ghosts 247
But switching faction doesnt bring any change in strenght of caravans now. Im studiyng caravans from February and have really much data to prove my words. |
for Pantheon:
Decreasing and increasing of caravan power are linked with experience you can get after winning. Experience depend on quantity and quality of army. My calculations "know" difference between cyclops and rocs.
Look at this example:
I lost to this caravan
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?warid=489670733<=-1
Potential exp: 5958.
Next one(same type):
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?warid=489672080<=-1
Potential exp: 5536.
Second caravan is weaker on 7%(and this is right TG mechanics).
But how can the same caravan become stronger on 23% after defeat? I think about admins intervention and want to know if somebody had such problem. |
#7
Decrease after loss is much lower than 7% as you can see in this sequence of lost caravans
1. caravan
Devils 86
Mistresses 13
Succubi 39
2. caravan
Devils 84
Mistresses 0
Succubi 44
3. caravan
Devils 82
Mistresses 14
Succubi 21 |
for MasterTI:
I think about faction influence, but as vidlak666 says "This is no longer present". After I switched to wizard i don't notice any increasing of "meat", before this Roc'o'van.
for vidlak666: your example is very typical for this situation. After defeat your caravan became stronger(in experience) on 17-18%.
REQUEST for active thieves:
If you have 2 straight lost ambushes against Roc'o'van, and first battle was on 12 May(or EARLIER) and second on 18 May(or LATER), post your links here. I will count power of caravans and compare. |
| closed by CreatorOfWidows (2010-06-07 20:37:34) |
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