| Author | workaholic penalty |
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the main reason to keep this thing is that players must just not enroll but also keep fighting n different reason for cheats!
but why is it necessary to win the battle
the thing is to play won or lost the penalty must be removed
what are your opinions on this? |
I'm guessing the admins don't want to encourage staged combats. If you don't need to win the combat, then there might be more players losing on purpose just to get rid of the penalty.
For lower levels I don't see how it is difficult to win 1 combat for every 10 enrolls. For high levels this becomes much harder as hunts and merc quests increase to absurd numbers where even enchanted arts don't guarantee victory. |
i m talking for higher levels i had a account at level 9 near to 10
it is blocked |
| I have no problem winning my battles. |
I have no problem winning my battles.
It would help a lot if this statement don't come from someone that mange to lose six times in a row at his first page of his combat log. |
Yep, I do min AP ambushes. :)
I managed to stay away from workaholic penalty for half a year now. Most I get is 20% drop. |
| 5 u dont need to win every batle u know just once a while :) |
So, basically you want the woraholic penalty to be gone when u finish a combat? It doesn't matter whether you win or lose...-_-
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If so what would be the point of workaholic? Might as well ask for the penalty to be removed altogether hehe |
Remove workaholic penalty, we don't need it!
Don't tell me WHEN to fight! |
Robai is rather militant on that one... :)
But I admit that the rule fails in many regards. 1-2 battles a day is hardly an "activity" but it's enough to get rid of the penalty. However, if it's not a problem at all for low-level players, it becomes serious for high-level ones - making faction changes, for example, almost impossible.
Perhaps it was the intent of the rule, who knows?
Anyway, I'd like some implementation change. For example, losing a battle counting as 0.1 "win" towards removal of Workaholic penalty would make this rule a lot more playable. A high-level player switching faction could at least lose 10 hunts / ambushes in a row and still be able to enroll. |
Don't tell me WHEN to fight! don't fight then :) just don't tell them how much money you need from the job :)
despite all the negative effects it was among the most positive changes in this game. just think wider. for hilvls it is obviously a PvP push, as from all the guilds only TG is still available |
despite all the negative effects it was among the most positive changes in this game.
Don't tell lies!
Workaholic rule was one of the biggest failures.
For example, before workaholic rule my plan was this:
- enroll many times until I get the last defense bonus (on LG 8)
- then get faction level 2 in all factions
- and finally, begin to fight often (indeed it was the my plan)
After workaholic rule:
- I will never fight more than 2 times per day, because I don't want to lose my gold in the future.
Workaholic rule didn't affect low level players, it mostly affected only high level players and the effect was definitely bad.
If the purpose was to force high level player to fight each other then it could be done in thousands other much better ways.
Moreover, many players don't like PvP (HoMM isn't good for PvP too, but it was the best at PvM).
This game is very good, that's why I play it. And for me PvP definitely isn't the best part of this game (there are hundreds other online games much better for PvP).
Ok, I won't debate on PvP or PvM, because everybody has his own opinion and everybody is right here, but I'm sure that 95% of players don't think that workaholic rule is a good thing. |
Workaholic rule was one of the biggest failures.
nah, that would be either the removal of halves and thirds or the AP rule. |
for Robai:
i can tell you one thing, on ru you got yourself a block if your LG level was bigger than your combat level, without this rule. you would have been blocked 100%, it was called imbalanced finance. after the workaholic penalty this was removed, as before many players just logged on factories with their mains and multi all the time and took all the money from factory balance, and then some illegal way tried to get the money from multi to main. now it is much more problematic, as you need to get into battles, follow the count of works etc, especially at the hi lvls. so really, it was very positive. |
I will never fight more than 2 times per day, because I don't want to lose my gold in the future.
You don't want to lose a couple of hundreds of gold doing 2 fights per day but you're OK with losing over a million over days on Roulette! funny fact! |
for Hellfalcon:
- this is a strategy game, which has some rules
- when I joined this game I studied those rules and picked the best strategy for me
- naturally, weak/poor players don't like to see other players stronger/richer and they rebelled
- to my big surprise admins listened to forum spammers and changed the rules of the game (removed halves and thirds, added AP rule, added workaholic rule, etc.)
- I don't believe you that players on .ru was blocked because they had LG > CL (that would be a complete nonsense), I think they were blocked because of cheating (not because of LG > CL).
There are many ways to deal with cheaters (no need to change the game for that).
For example this solution:
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1863172&page=1#250600
for coolahed:
I quit playing roulette a year ago, because there is no such thing as "Fair game control system.":
https://www.lordswm.com/help.php?section=21#control
(because no archives there - exactly the same story as a year ago)
It means that Roulette is cheating, i.e. there is some script running, which decides who loses and who wins (you can't prove me being wrong). Only having those archives would be no cheating.
I've lost a million because I've did some math research (and yes, I found some proof about cheating, not strict proof of course, but it was enough for me to stop playing it, despite the fact that I VERY like it).
If the game control system would be back then I might play roulette again and would gladly lose several millions more. |
for Robai
I don't believe you that players on .ru was blocked because they had LG > CL
http://www.heroeswm.ru/pl_info.php?nick=OneFauST
http://www.heroeswm.ru/pl_info.php?nick=LastAirbender
http://www.heroeswm.ru/pl_info.php?nick=Parsuf
i can get you another hundred of the examples, tho don't mean to flood. and sorry to say, this rule still works...though of course, it is much harder to get the LG > CL now. lwm is luckier because admins don't keep an eye on it much |
There is nothing said about the reason WHY they were blocked.
Maybe they were unreported multies or other illegal thing.
Even if creators of this game think that LG > CL is not good then it should be done in other ways, definitely not blocking (why block players, who played by the rules? It makes no sense).
For example, it could be done this way:
- if LG > CL then you don't get any LG points anymore by enrolling
But why such rules needed? Why no freedom?
In a strategy game the player should be the one who decides HOW to play (when to level up, when to fight, how much times enroll, etc.), not other players or admins.
If a player wants to have millions and never fight then let him do that, why not? Maybe that player wants:
- to buy Estates
- to be smith
- to be enchanter
- to be gambler (in two tower game)
- to be gambler (in roulette)
- to have much gold (just be rich for fun)
- any other reason (excluding cheating of course) |
It means that Roulette is cheating, i.e. there is some script running, which decides who loses and who wins (you can't prove me being wrong).
Actually I will prove you RIGHT!!
cus over long experience with Roulette I too have found that some characters are 'born' to become millionairs or broke!
An up-to-date evidence is that I havn't lost a bet in 3 days!! over 40 bets on a row are won! |
Workaholic rule was one of the biggest failures.
nah, that would be either the removal of halves and thirds or the AP rule.
true and completely unrelated i dont think they should have nerfed knights escort
It means that Roulette is cheating, i.e. there is some script running, which decides who loses and who wins (you can't prove me being wrong). Only having those archives would be no cheating.
um im pretty sure this isnt true |
