| Author | How to Counter Standing on Ghosts |
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| I'm a level three necro, and no matter what I try I can't keep the enemy from standing on my dead ghost stacks, preventing me from raising them. Almost every enemy army is faster, so the chances of one of them coming up in initiative before my hero is huge. Having my hero Wait and let the zombies kill the offending stack doesn't work either, because something else just jumps on them. It's impossible to manipulate the initiative enough to let me hero go just after the zombies (unfortunately. Is there a way to counter this completely annoying and totally overused tactic, or does necro just totally suck at this level? (Or does necro just totally suck...) |
| Raise Ghosts when they are not killed yet (when only 1 or 3 left). |
One halfway decent hit from an enemy can easily take a ghost stack from 10 to nothing. I do that when I can, but it's totally unreliable.
And check it out! My last battle combined all my "favorite" elements from the game! Ineffective teammates, afk teammates, ghost standing, and mute players. |
One more thing:
You are Necromancer lvl 2, so you can take +18 skeletons into battle. That is a lot for combat level 3. And I would take skeletons instead of zombies, because zombies are too slow (skeletons can help your Ghosts to kill archers much faster). |
Or does necro just totally suck
No, not at all! Necro is the best faction, but slow and very skill-dependent. |
| if u want to raise something..your hero should press wait and make it after your stack tht ready to be raise..after ur opponent kill tht stack..then raise it |
<Zombies>
Speed: 4 (it means that you need at least 3 turns until you reach archers)
Initiative: 6
<Skeletons>
Speed: 5 (in just 2 turns you can hit archers)
Initiative: 10 (almost twice!) |
Skeletons has THE SAME speed and initiative as Ghosts!
That's why they are good fighting side by side. |
robai u`re not very clever i`d say. compare: 1 zombie is given for 2 skels. but 2 skels have 8 hp and 1 zombie has 17!! hp. zombies are slow but very tough.
Vasagralem is a rather weak necro for lvl 4.
compare my friends necro with him) both lvl 4.
http://www.heroeswm.ru/pl_info.php?id=2187447 my friend`s necro
https://www.lordswm.com/pl_info.php?id=4790533 Vasagralem
as u see vasagralem has only 1 attack and sky_shazaberon has 5!! attack.
so it looks like 1-1-0-2 vs 5-1-0-2.
my advice is to go hunting and devote no time to pvp`s at all, before u make LG 2 and HG 3 at least. |
compare: 1 zombie is given for 2 skels. but 2 skels have 8 hp and 1 zombie has 17!! hp. zombies are slow but very tough.
Just watch this battle:
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?lt=-1&warid=24013242
Watch only the stack of 24 zombies there and you will understand what I mean.
48 skeletons would do MUCH more damage.
Zombies did only very tiny amount of damage there and most of it by retaliation, i.e. they did absolutely nothing there at all.
Those zombies would be useless even if they were 48 instead of 24 (i.e. even TWICE more health wouldn't help much).
Vasagralem, just try to take Skeletons instead of Zombies and you will see the difference.
Players take Zombies, because usually Zombies die last in PvP and players makes the WRONG conclusion that Zombies are better (maybe hey are good for defensive fight, but not for offensive fight, which you have to do against shooters).
Skeletons would be much better help for team work than Zombies - it's so obvious.
In short:
it's much harder to fight against Ghosts + Skeletons AT ONCE than
against Ghosts and only MUCH later against Zombies |
huh compare 4 hp 1-1 dmg and 17 hp 1-2 dmg. skels are much weaker then zombies. i dont count necro`s reserve and, as i wrote before, Vasagralem is rather weak for a lvl 4 necro.the best setup for a necro lvl 4 with reserve would be
22-26-13 and that would help a bit. but his stats are awful. mb that`s why he loses all the time. just look at post 8 and compare him with a normal necro of his lvl. |
compare 4 hp 1-1 dmg and 17 hp 1-2 dmg.
Even if Zombies did 1000-2000 (instead of 1-2) they would still die in that battle (and they could be easily avoided, because they are too slow). |
| in that battle and under the command of Vasagralem they would. but under a command of a normal necro they would help to achive victory. Vasagralem died also due to his newbie partner... |
im an expert necro here.
take skels and ghosts.
because they are about same init and deal big damage (were talking here about a combiend stakc of skels, not just one)
the skels distract the enemy from the ghosts, which you use as your main attacking unit. you need to ADD PRESSURE my MOVING all your troops close enough AT THE SAME TIME.
if you move ghost up and zombies lag behind, you enemy simply kills ghosts in time for zombies to come front and get killed. but if you take skel, then they have to choose one or the either. they kill skel- your ghosts kill. they chose ghosts, your skel kill. |
| you have to understand when necro plas defensive and when attackive. since you have no bowmen, you hav eto play offensive now. till later levels. |
expert necro?) lol
Vasagralem do as u wish.but my imho that skels will die even faster then ghosts and won`t distract anyone from them.my advice is to devote some time to working and hunting and wait lvl 5. then u`ll have vamps and skel.archers and it`ll be much easier to pvp) don`t forget about your stats look at my post 9. |
Necros suck big time at lower level. Push your hero to level 5 (do hunts, mercenary quests and the like if you feel so, or everyone for oneself battles if you're so fond of PvP) and get Skeletal Bowmen. Along with Vampires, it will change your life.
Being Necro level 3? It'll soon pass. |
yeah. best option just focus on hunts and merc and later pvp.
btwt odyn ive played nothing but necro for the past 2 years..... |
| 18 time means nothing...if u were an expert necro u`ve had more than 7 necro skill and more than 3 MG on lvl 11. |
| level 4 necro is very strong if you know how to play,and in this level zombie is better than skele,because opponent will skele in no time.though zombie is slow,when it will be in enemy line it is a tank!to avoid standing on ghst it's better to raise when their hp is low.and also i would say increase attack stat.raising is nothing if they cant give fatal blows. |
