| Author | enfeeble talent |
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I had setup enfeeble talent(just for fun).
So my talents were:
+hellfire
+basic darkness magick
+advanced darkness magic
+enfeeble
My magic skills were:
0 knowledge
0 spell power
I didnt build any magic schools...
So, when my hero had direct attack, the weakness makes attack decreasing by 3. But in help topic written that weakness makes decreasing by 9 if a hero have upped advanced darkness magic. Does it mean that i should build up Magic School? And why decreasing was only by 3? |
The effect of a cast spell usually depends on the caster's magical talent of the correspondent school:
It's not a cast spell, so the usual rules for effect depending on users Magical Talent level apparently don't apply.
# Cursing attack:
This creature applies "Weakness" spell at advanced Darkness magic level to each of its melee attacks and retaliation strikes. The duration of that spell's effect is renewed to [number of units in stack] turns on each attack.
# Hexing attack:
† Triggering special ability.
This creature has a chance to apply a Darkness magic spell of level 1-3 on Advanced magic level to its attack.
As you can see from the above Special Abilities, most of the time with an effect mimics a Spell effect, the Magic Talent level is defined in the ability.
Since Enfeeble doesn't seem to mention otherwise, it appears that it is at the "No Talent" level of effect.
**For duration spells, the effect lasts (Spell power) turns. If Spell power is 0, the spell will last 0.5 turns.
Given the above and your Spellpower of 0, I would have to imagine that the Duration was only 0.5 turns. It would be interesting to see if that was true.
Grunge |
So my talents were:
+hellfire
+basic darkness magick
+advanced darkness magic
+enfeeble
I didnt build any magic schools...
You did, enfeeble requires adv darkness. Its description says: "Hero applies "Weakness" spell to each of his or her direct attacks. It doesn't consume mana."
It doesn't specify how many turns the spell is applied.
I tested myself (I have SP 2) and i've got on applied stack -9 attack for 7 turns. But for knights enfeeble talent requires also fallen knight who raise SP with 5 in battle.
The only thing is strange regarding your fight is about effect, is weird to last only 3 turns when you have adv darkness. |
| Sorry, i want to say effect (3) not turns. |
The effect of a cast spell usually depends on the caster's magical talent of the correspondent school:
It's not a cast spell, so the usual rules for effect depending on users Magical Talent level apparently don't apply.
# Cursing attack:
This creature applies "Weakness" spell at advanced Darkness magic level to each of its melee attacks and retaliation strikes. The duration of that spell's effect is renewed to [number of units in stack] turns on each attack.
# Hexing attack:
† Triggering special ability.
This creature has a chance to apply a Darkness magic spell of level 1-3 on Advanced magic level to its attack.
As you can see from the above Special Abilities, most of the time with an effect mimics a Spell effect, the Magic Talent level is defined in the ability.
Since Enfeeble doesn't seem to mention otherwise, it appears that it is at the "No Talent" level of effect.
**For duration spells, the effect lasts (Spell power) turns. If Spell power is 0, the spell will last 0.5 turns.
Given the above and your Spellpower of 0, I would have to imagine that the Duration was only 0.5 turns. It would be interesting to see if that was true.
Grunge |
Well, that is odd. I've taken a look at Joey_the_Ripper's combat and he only gives -3 attack for 0.5 turns.
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?lt=-1&warid=28672317 <-- The Dark Sibyls, near the end of the battle.
Incidentally, when his character strikes it's target, it says he "Casts" weakness on it, so I guess the Magic Talent level should apply.
However with crys41's combat, he gets the full -9 for 7 turns.
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?lt=-1&warid=28677771 <-- Gogs, at the start of the batttle.
Seems like it could be a genuine bug after all. Acting differently for Knights and Demons?
Grunge |
I didnt build any magic schools...
Perhaps this is the key?
Maybe if you don't have the relevant Magic School, you still get the spell but at reduced effect?
Grunge |
| But he did build advanced magic darkness. The only bug to me is -3 attack (as weakness) to dark sybils. It should be -9 even he has 0 SP. |
I didnt build any magic schools...
that's the key...
it is something like wisdom, you grant that skill without using talent mastery. in this case, you get weakness without magic guild. hence, the effect is equal to no mastery due to the access with ignorance on requirement. |
| Thank you a lots. But the the question isnt closed yet. So I want to know all about Enfeeble talent. The help topic about this isnt enough to know how the enfeeble is working...=( |
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1870863
As far as I remember, enfeeble talent never used to work in any useful way. |
