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| if i have two clans, and i may want to those two clan balance together, is that possible ? |
Except if you are alone in each, the Clan Fund is not "your" fund... So your clan players should be agreed with this, but keep in mind the danger of this action... I mean : Washing dirty gold and so on... I ve not checked your transfer log and your clans transfer log, i m just repplying in the absolute!
I can imagine a limit (amount of gold) in your transfer from clan to clan to stay within rules!
In my oppinion, except the fact your are alone in both clan, avoid!
Good luck! |
As Patrickou mentioned--you should avoid this...as mixing monies between entirely seperate clans is murky as they are not your monies (unless you own the entire balances yourself because you personally put them there, ie none of the monies are donations from members, taxes, etc).
Clan funds typically belong to the clan as a whole in some way/shape/form. A possible solution I see would be perhaps if one entire clan were to merge into another if all members are in agreement...then hypothetically...the funds should be able to transfer as well. It would be an ambitious project--you should make an application for the move before doing anything though to be on the safe side with an admin or admin assistant. Maybe you can hope for a reply by making an application thread in the CaA-Finance and others forum too.
Cheers,
LS |
@ #2 & #3
Are we sure about this?
I'm pretty sure I have read (and heard) in numerous threads when I started playing the game that all gold in a clan's Treasury belongs to the leader.
What I heard was legally and technically, since a clan cannot own any property, all "clan" gold and items are the property of the Leader. Thus, the gold in a clan's treasury belongs to the leader.
Ethically though, it may be 'morally' right for a leader to decide that the clan gold belongs to all members.
Would be good if someone have a precious thread and/or Arctic/an admin would verify this, since the rules (if any) are not clear on this. |
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I always heard that too. I have never read it spelled out that way anywhere official though. In regards to MCs the rules are a lot clearer in reference to clan monies and their purpose...but to regular clans there is an 'uncomfortable void' lol. Hopefully the admins will update the rules to be more clear in the future regarding this subject but it may be safe to assume that the strict clan monies rules of the MCs may extend to regular clans as well. |
| I'm pretty sure I have read (and heard) in numerous threads when I started playing the game that all gold in a clan's Treasury belongs to the leader. ROFL you are very rich man jedi, very rich.. |
you are very rich man jedi, very rich..
===> Ethically though, it may be 'morally' right for a leader to decide that the clan gold belongs to all members. :)
But we digress..
I have found some topics pertaining to this issue -
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1865645
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1867588
Also, I have heard stories about,
- clan leader(s) using clan gold to support and build thei enchanting/smith guilds,
- using clan funds to buy rare arts/estates/elements for enchanting etc. So does the rare/enchanted arts and estates belongs to say, 100-200 members? And if so, how do we divide it if it's ever sold?
So LEGALLY-speaking, all these points to clan treasury and all things bought from it as belonging to the leader, unless "funds were accumulated in a clan for specific purpose".
Of course, a 'morally correct' leader would not use clan funds for any personal gains. But that's entirely up to each clan leader, and no rules states that he can't.
Someone can verify this? |
Also, if the 'rules' states that all gold in a clan Treasury (normal or MC) belongs to all members, then it should be forbidden for leaders to grant clan loans without first consulting all clan members.
And I have not seen or heard any clan/MC leaders ever doing that before. |
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Well let me clarify something (spoken with arctic about this)
As you know clan fund can be used for loan and you all know that Treasorer and Clan leader are able to "touch" the gold. so let's say the Clan fund is 1M gold (MC nameless).
The limit of loan per month will be :
- Leader Combat Level x 20 K gold (ex level 15 = 300K gold) per month
- Treasorer Combat level x 20 K gold (ex level 13 = 260K gold) per month
The loan rules apply on leader and treasorer so this mean they must be clever with both the clan fund and their own treasory
As said upper the clan fund is the not the leader or treasorer property but the whole clan. It can be asked with vote or generals and so on to be agreed in case of using the clan fund.
I hope it helps a little! |
Let me add this, to avoid problems, i ve asked to clarify this :
- clan event with prize
- clan lottery
and so on...
Now i m waiting his repply officially. Since i ve got it i will post then we will be able in the future to state this!
Good luck
PS : But while wait a little! |
| well i'm not sure but when i had clan 1,5 year i'm pretty sure i were told you cant use clan taxes to yourself:p |
| lol naapa, well i m waiting Arctic repply so wait a little while! |
Here is a PM i received a PM, let me clarify again (seems like i m not explaining very well, poor french i m)
1. So you are saying that clan funds don't belong to the leader? Not even 1 gold?
-> As long you are leader you represant the Clan but this does not mean IT S YOURS (ROFL) or some leaders will be very griddy
2. And you wrote about loan limit. what has loan limit have to do with this if the clan fund don't belong to leader?
-> as the rule of transfer for players apply, the gold from MC or personnal is the same in limitation. So CL15 could loan 100K with MC fund and 200K with personnal else rule is broken!
3. "It can be asked with vote or generals and so on to be agreed in case of using the clan fund :
a) So must ask for vote every time the leader wants to use the clan fund? (??) Even if 10 gold? 100 gold? 10000 gold?
-> Theorically yes except if the clan gives you full power or limitation in action... Depends your clan rules!
- And what if ask for vote example to buy art set, and 199 agree, and 1 member say 'No'. Can't buy?? (???)
-> It s up to you to define your clan rules like 100% vote for applying something or just the majority...
Arctic could clarify this if needed!
- 'Generals'? Who decides the generals? How many minimum generals? |
Hiya PAt,
Thanks for asking Arctic to clarify. We can then use this thread for future reference.
Soz, I'm actually more confused now after reading your reply. haha..
1. So you are saying that the Treasury don't belong to the leader? Not even 1 gold?
2. You wrote about loan limit. what has loan limit have to do with this if the Treasury don't belong to the leader? (Other than the loan rule have to be followed of course)
3. So every time a leader wants to do a clan loan, he have to ask all its members? Even 100 or 1000 gold?
4. It can be asked with vote or generals and so on to be agreed in case of using the clan fund.
- So you are saying the leader must ask for vote every time he wants to use the clan fund? Even if it's 10 gold? or 100 gold?
- And what if ask for vote (Example: to buy an art set), and 199 members agree, but 1 member say 'No'? Can't buy? (?)
5. Generals
- What's a 'general'?
- Who decides the generals?
- How many minimum generals?
6. Does all the above apply for all clan, normal and MCs?
Thanks in advance for clarifying bro. :) |
well to answer more to yours question instead digging every clan gold transfers answer witch isnt related to actual question unnamed have asked.
Example if somebody in from clan where you are taking golds has gifted 100k for that specif clan with description , he isnt even on another clan where you are taking golds, so i rly dont think you can take those moneys to another clan. |
Oppz, I posted it too. haha..
So you are saying the rules of the Treasury depends on individual clans, and what rules they/the leader set?
Hmm.. that can't be right. We'll end up having 1000s of clans rules.. and hard (impossible) for anyone to keep track if a rule is broken or not since the clan profile page can be changed in a few seconds.
Or we end up having tons of threads in 'Clans' forums section like 'Voting to buy Beastbane Shield', 'Voting to loan Jedi-Knight 100 gold for 3 days'.
Or what if a clan like Warriors' Guild, which has almost 1000 members, wants to do something? The leader have to write and wait to receive 1000 PMs for vote result?
And what if a member/general is afk from the game for 3-6 months? Clan can't do anything? Just sit and look pretty? :D
Also, if it's true, then a leader is open to 'sabotage' by a clan member.
Example: "Loan me 100k gold or I will vote 'Yes' to all clan votings, but later I'll tell everyone I voted against and report you for going ahead even when I voted 'No'."
Soz for asking much, but since there are many clans in the game, it's best we all know the rules so no rules are broken, and we don't have even more unnecessary blocks, for breaking rules leaders didn't even knew they broke.
Thanks. |
well, let say, when you join an office for work there is already rules for work, salary and industry. There are not create little by little. So for a clan it s the same. So when new player enter the clan he should accept the clan rules. you can write them on your clan page or forum... depends but most of the time it s written on the clan page.
I think there is a difference between normal clans and Military ones. The fund is not the same and internal rules should be clear and written to avoid thoses problems later. In case of doubt you can submit the rules to arctic or the "future" admin assistant (if we will have one)...
As said, i would like arctic to clarify this before going to far in this Thread! If more questions are coming i will lock it and unlocked later to avoid spams and misslead...
While the repply, enjoy the game! |
Ok all,
No most unnecessary postings till we have Arctic/admin reply to this.
I posted here even though I have PMs with Patrick is coz I wanted this thread to be a future reference for all issues regarding this topic.
Now let's just be patient and wait for a definitive reply. :) |
| closed by Lord Patrickou (2011-07-08 19:30:29) |
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