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Hiya,
Since we are in the topic of clan, I have a question.
So we all know that clan can no longer be sold, and can only be given away "free of charge".
3.27.1. Clan ownership can be passed to another character free of charge only. Clan treasury must be transferred to the new leader and deposited in full to the clan treasury (except paid commission).
1. So let's say a normal clan (not MC) have 500,000 in the Treasury, which is the leader's gold. He just deposited it there for 'safe-keeping' or to hide it from beggars, which is quite common for some players.
So how can he possibly 'give the clan away free of charge' since the rules seems to imply that he have to transfer 500,000 over to the new leader as well?
Then wouldn't it be considered like money laundering or something?
2. Or a leader can no longer spent as much time in the game as before, and he don't want to let his members down, so he decided to pass the leadership to someone who is more active. and can do more for the clan's members.
If he have 500,000 in his treasury, then what happens? He transfer the clan together with 500k to the new leader? Wouldn't that be considered 'money laundering' as well, even though the intentions is genuinely for the good of the clan/members?
3. And since most MCs have more gold in the Treasury than the legal limit allowed for gifts/loans, then should we say that MC leadership can never be transferred to a new leader, since it would break the gift rule?
Hmm... what am I missing from reading those rules...? | | You can simply wither-draw your gold from the clan and transfer the clan | | you have to use golds yourself until there is 500k or less left | @ #2 & 3
Clan treasury must be transferred to the new leader and deposited in full to the clan treasury (except paid commission).
Which part do I, or you guys, not understand? :) | The rule talk about limit money gift to a player, but don't talk about clan...
Its can be considered a gift of good luck for the clan to have a longer life, or just take all gold back, think there's no problem with take your own gold back. | Ok, you cannot take your gold back, good luck with your querie :)
Need a rule about that, strange no one think about that before. | | Which part do I, or you guys, not understand? :) i cant possible know what part you didnt understand O.o | @7
The rule states that a leader HAVE TO transfer whatever is in the treasurfy to the new leader. And sicne it doesn't mention about a limit, then it would simply means that rule would apply even if the clan have 500k or a million. The out-going leader have to transfer all those gold over to the new leader. | | I think it's very obvious.. off course you won't transfer the clan along with your own deposited gold..(money washing) you must withdraw your own gold first then transfer the clan to the new leader! | Rules relating to this clearly state(as per your own quote) :
3.27.1. Clan ownership can be passed to another character free of charge only. Clan treasury must be transferred to the new leader and deposited in full to the clan treasury (except paid commission).
Rules do not say,something like:
3.27.1. Clan ownership can be passed to another character free of charge only. Clan treasury must be transferred to the new leader and deposited in full to the clan leader(s)' account or transferred to the new clan leader.
Any illegal transfer by the new clan leader for/to his own account or for the so-called "money-laundering"purposes would not/will not go un-detected,IHO. | well thats what the rules say yes...but if you was storing your money you could withdraw it and then transfer the leadership
anyway in your second case if the clan does have 500k money that is not the leader's then surely if the leader buts the description as 'clan treasury' or something similiar then surely they cant get in trouble | would not/will not remain un-detected,IHO.
Correction :) | Well, lets say a clan A is having 500K gold as clan fund. To handover the leadership we all know the Fund should be 0. To avoid large transfer between players you must remind Treasorer exist, can withdraw the whole Clan fund, then the leader can handover the clan A to the new player and the fund will be 0 gold.
Now the treasorer can deposit the clan fund without transfer to other players...
In your question, i can read, what part is the leader in the 500K gold! IT depends! | but if you was storing your money you could withdraw it and then transfer the leadership
yes, I know this is only logical, but it's not what the rules says. :)
Any illegal transfer by the new clan leader for/to his own account or for the so-called "money-laundering"purposes would not/will not go un-detected,IHO.
So let's see if I get this right,
- if you DO transfer a large amount of the clan treasury (over the gift limit, for example), it's considered as "money-laundering", which is illegal, and a rule break.
- If you DON'T transfer everything in a clan treasury when heading over a clan to the new leader, it's a direct violation of the rule, Clan treasury must be transferred to the new leader and deposited in full to the clan treasury, and thus illegal, and a rule break.
How does that make sense... ? :) | I guess admin consider the players smart enough to figure out the obvious by themselves which is
but if you was storing your money you could withdraw it and then transfer the leadership | | well rules are made to be broken;) | Just taken your money, if some one ask for it, tell what happen.
If there's any problem give back, end case. | Just taken your money, if some one ask for it, tell what happen.
If there's any problem give back, end case.
Don't you know that if there's any problem, a player may get blocked right away, and have no time to 'give back'? :)
Clarifying this is for the benefit of the whole LWM community, so everyone knows the official interpretation of the rules, and not personal opinions. | Jedi:
1.In case, the money parked with the clan is for the betterment or upliftment of the clan:
Firstly, it doesnt talk about tranferring the amount of 500k(assumed amount) to the clan leader. the rule only mentions that the Clan treasury must be transferred to the new leader and deposited in full to the clan treasury. What I imply here, is that the money ,which came from the old clan leader would still remain with the clan,even if there was a change of leadership and clan treasury position.
Now ,your point/question ,whether there is a possibility of the new leader laundering this money and using it for own or in illegal transfers?
The new leader will have to route or re-route the money(which would already be stored in clan's treasury)through his account. any such activity, will clearly be visible with his/her transfer log or the transfer log of the clan.
Since, the Rules are silent about the use and transfer of clan money, I presume the general rule of gifts and money transfers would apply in this case to catch hold of the faulters :D
2.In case, the money parked with the clan is of the old clan leader to keep it safe from beggars :D
"but if you was storing your money you could withdraw it and then transfer the leadership"
This whole confusion has alot more to do with vague rules regarding use of clan money, nothing else. Once this is brought to light,No-one would dare launder Jedi's(clan's) money :D | I already see people get unblocked, foo give things back, also most times you get a warning before get blocked.
Send a e-mail to empire or secretary, and wait they give a answer, youre a admin, you don't know some one to talk about?
Also ask what can be done with admin of complains and violations, he can give you a better tip.
We are all normal players here, we don't make rules, we only follow em, so is hard we help you here. |
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