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can additionals refund ambush gold ?



Authorcan additionals refund ambush gold ?
a russian guy insisted for return of my huge loot (= 32 gold)

I pm'd him something like " sorry cant send gold, this multi etc etc."

he answered, this rule does not apply to thief gold ( of course, thats my translation of google translation, he could have wrote something about blue elephants as well :p)
Of course you can. Nothing in the game rules against it if you state that you are returning loot.
Lord Selfist: Can I get a TGI? Can I return theft gold?
Sir randomr1: Yes you can!
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1915395
sorry elfpride, read that thread, nothing conclusive.

none of the forum officials (sages, mods etc) had any answer posted there.

V_V, many things that is not explicitly written in game rules may cause serious troubles in this game, know by experience :p
for Lord selfist:
I mean I doubt just returning 50-100 gold is really serious enough, so it's up to you. However there is no need in my opinion to create such complications... 50 gold is not gonna kill anyone.
V_V, many things that is not explicitly written in game rules may cause serious troubles in this game, know by experience :p

That is why it is best to err on the side of caution. There is no explicit answer for you. My recommendation is that you don't do it.

You are essentially gifting the gold to the player. You can put that in any other way I.e "returning the gold, repaying the gold" etc. but it's not compulsary to do these actions and therefore it could be considered a gift.

Again, the rules are complicated and interpreted in many different ways that can cause problems, so I support the cautious approach ;)
3.11.1. Additional characters are not allowed to play "Two Towers" games with gold bets. Regardless of combat level and Gamblers' Guild level, the only allowed bet is 0 gold. Additional characters are allowed to play in official Card Tournaments.

3.13. Additional characters are not allowed to make presents to anyone. When buying game items from other characters, the prices mustn't differ too much from the average market prices. Trying to wash the money through substitute parties is a serious violation leading to block of the additional characters and penalty to the main one.

3.13.1. Additional characters are not allowed to loan, lend or borrow any game valuables.


Since the game doesn't even allow bets on Gambler's Guild, I highly doubt it allows transfer to other players.
You're awarded gold since it is a part of the system. Returning it would be considered as a gift which violates 3.13.
Sorry, but that would be more caution than what i would recommend. Honestly, it cannot even be called a risk because to impose a penalty or block on any character, you can expect that there was a reasonable degree of infringement, and at the least the violation itself would be specifiable. Discussing this right now we just seem to be complicating things. Surely, unfair blocks/penalties have been happening since long, but now you can always appeal in such cases.

On the other hand, looting is a feature of the thieves guild. Ambushing successfully gets you that reward, I consider it somewhat absurd to return it unless the other guy really begs for it.
although my heart wants to follow V_V's suggestion at #2 and partialy at #9, I will close this thread, answer being a NO.

I got exactly what I want at #7.. an official's take on the issue.. later on I can link this thread and show Corey's answer (*) as an evidence, why I'm not returning their stolen gold etc etc ;)

why I made this small thing an issue, why I realy WANT to refund SOME victims gold : because those players are very respectfull to other players (= my !) time. Once ambushed, they set their army and play very fast. I want to reward such good attitude. always did so with main. may even keep doing so tru main's purse as gift, for those caught by my multi. (much less frequency :p)

thx everyone for sharing your thoughts.

(*) for those who dont know, Corey is in Help and Reference Team, got paid by Empire for his time and effort spend in this froum brach. Believe me, no easy task :) thank you Corey.
closed by Lord selfist (2016-04-24 00:23:15)
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