| Author | [Event] Great Experiment |
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| Enrolling and collecting gold to buy all those donation art takes time and patience. While if you're donating its pretty easy to get them, if that wasn't the case people wouldn't actually spend gold on them. But if you are not a donator and are still dedicated to win the events you need to have patience :) |
| Man donating cant give you edge over other players who dont donate. Because they are calling this free2play. Free to play = free to win. So there should never be such art as RoC. Thats most def pay2win. You cant argue about that. |
| "i don't want to pay money(to donate), i don't want to pay time(to enroll), i don't even want to pay brain(to study better strategy), yet i want to win. if not, i accuse it as unfair." |
for latviesu lords:
Non-paying player has access to RoC, it's just a lot harder to get there.
RoC is not pay to win, it's pay to win (a lot) faster. |
I know I'm still tinkering with the army but that's besides the point. I put the clover of fortune on for 1 luck right? Last battle luck never triggered, and I do mean not even once:
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?lt=-1&warid=850802817&show_for_all=3cf6e23887
The battle before that it only triggered once, so what's going on here? |
"i don't want to pay money(to donate), i don't want to pay time(to enroll), i don't even want to pay brain(to study better strategy), yet i want to win. if not, i accuse it as unfair."
Perfect reply to all those whining out there. |
for ParaLeul:
What will be next? There is hunter licenses, premium mounts changing diamonds into gold. I dont care about them. But why this have to affect PvP? Can you tell me? |
But why this have to affect PvP? Can you tell me?
admin run out of new player, so better milking the current playerbase. typical business strategy |
But why this have to affect PvP? Can you tell me?
Because combined with sells they made random donations into predictible income, they can even choose when they get that income by picking the days of the seasonal sales. Predictible income is important and convenient when you run a business.
Plus, this probably earns them much more money. Let's face it, who is using hunter licences? HG is such an horrible guild.
"i don't want to pay money(to donate), i don't want to pay time(to enroll), i don't even want to pay brain(to study better strategy), yet i want to win. if not, i accuse it as unfair."
That's a very cheap point. I've been playing PvP with two rings of cold, facing players with shop ring and they had no chance to win. Boring.
I've also tried playing without the rings, or just one ring, because I find no enjoyment in winning because of the rings, and facing guys with full donation set and full armaments. Some were close battles, some lost horribly but it just feels wrong to play that way.
TL;DR:
Wether I play with or without donation arts it is detrimental to my PvP experience. And "play better" is completely silly to say when you have an edge worth 10 stat points. You might as well tie your hands in your back and try to win just playing with your nose and mouse, to see how good you can be if that's your state of mind.
The only reason I enjoyed PvP was to have fair battles where I would win because I use superior strategy, but now I win (or lose) because of superior stats. That was OK when there were just DU, I was playing without that at times and found I can win still without, but ROC is way too overpowered and even the other less OPed arts add up to destroy the playing experience like how dagger and sword boost shooters on top of the many ini bonus. We all know how over important are shooters and ini for elves, so boring when there are two charmers in teams, it's all about who have sharpshooters going first.
But, if you find enjoyment in winning with your superior equipment, sure, go ahead and feel smart. |
for Slust:
in high level, everyone playing tournament is using ROC, it is already a standard. |
for RevolutionRebel:
Cool for you. But I'm talking about the low level 15. Do you need combat logs? |
| All I know is when I get my butt kicked by a better set-up, I try to copy the army set-up of the guy who annihilated me, to see if I have a chance at winning ...only to be annihilated the very next battle. And so on and so on.....Some people just weren't meant to win at this game.. I guess I'm one of em. :( |
for Slust:
no thanks |
for RevolutionRebel:
You're welcome. |
Free to play = free to win. So there should never be such art as RoC. Thats most def pay2win. You cant argue about that.
So you are sure that this is pay to win game and admins have made an error in specifying it as free to win. When you are sure then why are you trying to convince others.. This is the game play it or not is your wish, them game wouldn't change :) |
stop complaining, without people paying you wont have a game, and without a reason to pay you wont get people donating...
its as simple as that |
stop complaining, without people paying you wont have a game, and without a reason to pay you wont get people donating...
I quite agree
Given that every single thing in this game is available for pure gold, and that you can get gold through various means not requiring real money it cannot therefore be a purely pay to win situation.
It is however unsustainable in a normal existance to afford everything you may want in game purely through enrolling.
Therefore I would say it is a pay to make a lot easier (not such a catchy term), and therefore conferring an advantage in battles.
As people have said, without donations this game would not exist - so like it or not it is a neccesity that it happens.
Personally I have donated, though could have afforded to buy from the market all arts originally obtained from donations. I would however not have been able to build more castles than just my main, or possibly one other, nor an enchanted art, or have a DU at CL15.
This game is just not set up for people who cannot enroll a lot, but still want to do everything. |
stop complaining, without people paying you wont have a game, and without a reason to pay you wont get people donating...
its as simple as that
Amen. |
Personally I have donated, though could have afforded to buy from the market all arts originally obtained from donations. I would however not have been able to build more castles than just my main, or possibly one other
That is the reason the game became pay to win.if you spent the gold in arts you will left back on other important things. No game can survive without income although this one was advertised as a free service for gamers by gamers.It is fair for admins to try to raise their income but those shop art equivalents destroyed every days commanders guild and increased the average cost per battle without increasing equally the average earnings of a free player.
It is not so hard to admit that this game is a pay to win game.It is still the same game whatever you like to call it anyway.Some willing to pay can enjoy it, some that cannot or dont want to pay cannot enjoy it.Trying to force free to play players to believe that they can enjoy the game is impossible and stupid cause all supporters of the "still free to play players can play" theory are donators and the free to play players know from first hand that it is impossible to keep up with the required costs without donation. |
35/35 now (also AI), today using this setup
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?warid=850840781&show_for_all=588f262b68< |
