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I tried to search through our forum on google, but I haven't found anything what would answer my question(s). I would like to see clear answers, not any guesses, so if you are really not sure, don't write your answer as a fact (you can write your opinion of course) :) But those experienced could possibly know the answer(s).
1. is there any way how to (partially) ignore faction resistance of player in combat? Any ability, art or talent? I guess no, but I was never sure about that.
2. How exactly does magic ignoring magic resistance and ignoring elemental resistance work? For example, I wear this artifact https://www.lordswm.com/art_info.php?id=ffstaff15 and it gives me 10% pierce through magic resistances, in other words Ignore magic resistance +10%. Similarly if I am charmer and I take central talent, it says 20% pierce through magic resistances. I suppose that it is the same effect as from the mentioned artifact.
What magic resistances do I ignore? I give you another example of artifact https://www.lordswm.com/art_info.php?id=armor15&uid=322540147&crc=ie391a8323 This armor grants 7% magic shield and there are also some enchants, for example Air magic shield 16%. So would I partially ignore both of them or only non-elemental magic shield (in other words Magic proof +7%)? I mean that it is really confusing, maybe it is only unfortunate translating (I don't understand why in art description it is called magic shield while it is magic proof in combat). What about some abilities of creatures, like magic shield of senior genies (50% less elemental damage) or even black dragons (Immune to magic - it is immune to elemental damage)? Do I ignore all these resistances by mentioned weapon (or talent)? What about enchanted gargoyles who are only immune to water, fire and lightning?
3. Another example is this art https://www.lordswm.com/art_info.php?id=sun_ring&uid=329178051&crc=ife9ac6611 It is enchanted and additionally ignore air shield and earth shield by some %. I suppose that it would work against enchanted gargoyles with lightning but does it also partially ignore magic proof? What about black dragons? Does it ignore their 100% magic immunity to elemental damage? For example unicorns have aura of magic proof, does it ignore this too?
This all can be very confusing for many players (I guess), at least for me it is.
I can write my presumptions:
1. there is no way to ignore faction resistance. After all damage and effects are calculated, the result is multiplied by [1 - 3*Y/100], where Y is fsl. If I am wrong, I will be surprised :)
2. In general I expect there to be 2 classes of ignoring magic (IM) and 2 classes of magic resistance (MR). 1st IM class affects BOTH MR classes while 2nd IM class affects only 2nd MR class.
1st MR class protects against all kinds of magic and 2nd MR class protects only against specific elemental damage.
This is really only how I understand it, maybe I get it wrong. That's why I created this topic.
1st IM class includes arts, talents and/or abilities with pierce through magic resistances (both general and elemental), in other words it ignores magic resistance in general.
2nd IM class includes jewelry enchants (maybe there are some abilities or talents that would do the same) which ignore only elemental shield. Thus they ignore only armor enchants and specific elemental protection abilities.
Now my presumptions for my above mentioned examples:
https://www.lordswm.com/art_info.php?id=ffstaff15 works against black dragons, enchanted gargs, enchated armors... basically against all kind of magic protection.
https://www.lordswm.com/art_info.php?id=sun_ring&uid=329178051&crc=ife9ac6611 This enchanted ring works only against enchated gargs, enchated armors (with lightning spell) and black dragons (their magic resistance is elemental from description). It also works against genies (it is written that 50% shield is against elemental damage, so it is elemental shield) but it doesn't work ag | (Well, I forgot there is a limit, fortunately I saved the rest of my question, so here it continues)
Now my presumptions for my above mentioned examples:
https://www.lordswm.com/art_info.php?id=ffstaff15 works against black dragons, enchanted gargs, enchated armors... basically against all kind of magic protection.
https://www.lordswm.com/art_info.php?id=sun_ring&uid=329178051&crc=ife9ac6611 This enchanted ring works only against enchated gargs, enchated armors (with lightning spell) and black dragons (their magic resistance is elemental from description). It also works against genies (it is written that 50% shield is against elemental damage, so it is elemental shield) but it doesn't work against basic magic resistance - magic proof (e.g. shop arts). It also doesn't work on unicorns and their aura of magic proof.
But what comes to my mind after all of this - take this example of art https://www.lordswm.com/art_info.php?id=power_sword&uid=203108871&crc=i7f3ee3b7b This is enchanted weapon and as we know, it add some bonus to physical damage, but the bonus (as the description claims) is Extra damage with elemental magic. If my presumptions are good, this bonus damage is reduced by enchanted armor (that's for sure). But according to my logic it is reduced by abilities with elemental resistances too (enchated gargs, black dragons etc,) but is it really true? What about magic proof? :) Magic proof is magic resistance and thus it should reduce this magic damage from enchanted weapon too but is it really true?
Thank you all for opinions (or even some facts). I believe I will understand this game better after I get your answers.
(The best possible answer for all of this would be some picture graph/diagram, where it would be clear what works on what. Maybe our Russian comrades have something like that but I have never seen it). | | But my presumptions must be incorrect. Because now I used charmer elf with imbue arrow and tried to view damage on pirate T7 with magic shield 50%. Even is hero had 20% magic proof and it showed me, that lightning without imbue arrow would deal 84 damage. With arrow it was 84 too! | 1. is there any way how to (partially) ignore faction resistance of player in combat?
No.
2. How exactly does magic ignoring magic resistance and ignoring elemental resistance work?What magic resistances do I ignore?
Everything. Suppose you have 10% piercing magic (=ignore magic resistance). You will ignore 10% of all magic resistances of the target. This includes the magic shield/magic proof from artifacts, enchants, talents and creature abilities. Same for immunities. They actually just work like 100% resistance. The only exceptions are if a creature is insusceptible to a specific spell or the magic control talent of battlewise wizards. | 3. Another example is this art https://www.lordswm.com/art_info.php?id=sun_ring&uid=329178051&crc=ife9ac6611 It is enchanted and additionally ignore air shield and earth shield by some %. I suppose that it would work against enchanted gargoyles with lightning but does it also partially ignore magic proof?
That's right. But of course it only works for the respective element. So "ignore air shield" means it has only an effect for magic arrow, lightning and chain lightning.
What about black dragons? Does it ignore their 100% magic immunity to elemental damage? For example unicorns have aura of magic proof, does it ignore this too?
Yes to both.
This is enchanted weapon and as we know, it add some bonus to physical damage, but the bonus (as the description claims) is Extra damage with elemental magic. If my presumptions are good, this bonus damage is reduced by enchanted armor (that's for sure). But according to my logic it is reduced by abilities with elemental resistances too (enchated gargs, black dragons etc,) but is it really true? What about magic proof?
That's true. Although the resistances of enchanted armors are reduced against weapon enchants. | But my presumptions must be incorrect. Because now I used charmer elf with imbue arrow and tried to view damage on pirate T7 with magic shield 50%. Even is hero had 20% magic proof and it showed me, that lightning without imbue arrow would deal 84 damage. With arrow it was 84 too!
Please post a link to the combat beacause that sounds like a bug. | https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?lt=-1&warid=888286011
I can't prove it. But assuming that damage calculator always count only damage of lightning without arrow, it showed me the exact damage in both cases - with arrow and without arrow. | | I tested the same thing in DD castle WG errand and without arrow it showed 56 while with arrow it was 58, so ti really could be only a bug | | I've always had the feeling, Magic Penetration of Items don't affect Barrier Talent Btw. |
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