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Twilight dragons deal 132 damage to Spawns. 18 perish.
Twilight dragons deal 246 damage to Cerberi. 16 perish.
Both cerberi and spawns have same defense.
Twilight dragon damage range is 46-71 in this game.
So, one would think that such a large deviation should not be possible?
71/46 = 1.54
246/132 = 1.86
Does back troop get lesser damage than front one, similar to the Charger or dreadbane abilities? |
| If no one knows, maybe this belongs in the bug section. |
| Don't forget your talent multipliers |
| Since the relative damage to the two creatures is the problem, I don't think the damage multipliers would matter. |
| Is the front stack melee attacked and the back stack nom-melee? |
| *non-melee |
| Cerberi and spawns. Both are melee troops being attacked by the melee Twilight Dragons. |
The original damage on the cerebri would be 10/100*x + x = 246 (basic offense)
And it comes 223
Now supposing the talents don't apply on spawns take damage of spawns as 132 only
223/132 = 1.68
Which is just on difference of 0.14 from the damage ratio of your dragons
I think that's what happened , but don't know :p |
Cerberi and spawns. Both are melee troops being attacked by the melee Twilight Dragons.
I'm not sure that spawns are hit by a melee attack. Dragons hit nearest stack by melee, and the stack behind is hit by the dragon breath. That's why the multipliers don´t count there. |
So what you're suggesting is that the back target is not considered to be melee?
Interesting idea. So that would imply that both basic offense and the 5% extra damage from my sword don't help.
But on the other hand, he also has 5% melee resistance that wouldn't help the spawns. So we can more or less ignore the 5% from calculation.
So that leaves us with Bunny's calculation.
The ratio is still 1.68 which is more than the acceptable 1.54
So I don't think this alone can explain it. |
Considering the 5% melee of your damage and ignoring his 5% resistance it comes out to 1.613 ...
Still not around 71/46
The only possibility I can think is that we are doing some mistake calculating ratios , like I know it should be <1.54 but maybe it works some other way |
| Maybe ranged resistance protects you from dragon's breath :) |
So I was thinking something
consider cerebris took max damage from the Dragon and spawns took minimum damage
246/71*46 = 159.3 , now just remove some extra melee damage from it , I'm removing 15%
159.3 - 23.85 = 135.45 ( spawns took 132 damage )
I guess I'm close to it , it's just the max damage and min damage assumption I took must be having some error , otherwise this looks good to me |
246/71*46 = 159.3 , now just remove some extra melee damage from it , I'm removing 15%
Why? Are drawing that 15% number out of thin air? |
| 5% melee from sword + basic offense |
5% melee from sword + basic offense
What about the 5% melee resistance? |
Yeah you are right
I am a bit confused myself too , but even if u take the melee resistance , the damage difference won't spike , so I calculated that damage parallel to the cerebri, and I am taking both basic offense + 5% sword damage , I should include 5% melee resist too
Considering it too 159.3 - 15.9 = 143.4
It's really confusing :3
I don't know it can be bug mmm, or some point is being missed |
Better to just calculate your raw damage and see if it fits with that range using the formula
Damage = N * R(min, max) * [1 + 0,05 (A-D) ] * [1 - 3*Y/100]
With this the top value is reachable, however the lower value applied does not get as low as 132.
The only way to get to that point within the bounds of the rules as I understand it is to apply a greater damage resistance. If you apply the ranged resistance then that range is achievable, but does not feel right.
I will ponder some more |
| I shall attempt to test this in an easy hunt/merc with Bless to see how it works |
Tested. Battle link below:
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?warid=985081722<=-1
[Santremus]: 858 damage on main target
Green dragons deal critical damage to favoured enemy.
Green dragons deal 858 damage to Vermins. 65 perish.
Green dragons deal 1716 damage to Vermins. 65 perish.
[Santremus]: double damage on secondary target due to critical strike
Identical damage on both targets. I had Basic Offense to test if melee attack or not |
