| Author | Why is DE so weak in PVP? |
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I know people say DE is really good for hunts and MG and I belive that right. You have good range and damage but in 2v2 or 3v3 I feel like at lower levels DE falls short because of lack of stats.
The passive is only useful if you go magic build but everyone says its kinda useless and its true, you can not get more than 20-25 spell power with all the talents and items till level 10-11 (or maybe 12, idk) so the passive is LITERALLY out of the window.
Now it will take AGES if I only try to level up with hunt or MG or even CG (it gives 6-8k exp per battle) and I noticed DE dont even have the "Innate swiftness" talent which gives 1 extra speed which could be really usefull for the faction as we lacks any kind of shooter but the Pharoh have it. I get it Shrews with 9 speed is freaking impossible to deal with BUT THATS ONLY FOR 1 ROUND (for most factions) and for the rest you cant deal with 8 either but you have 100s of stacks in shooters (Knight, Dwarf, Tribal, Barbs) demons might complain but the leap by fiend's are freaking impossible to deal with 150 stacks and all you need to do is jump 8 tiles, position yourself in 1 move and you wreck havoc.
I do get if people complain and its fair that DE has consitent damage throughout battle but almost everything has more speed than minotaur and hydra (oh lets not forget about the negative initiave it has and almost had 0 impact till mid-late game)
If I go magic build I have to put more stacks in minotaur and less on shrews to have more sustain I lose out on early damage and although I am tanky I am gonna lose in a slow poison death because I compromise on my consistent damage.
And like wizard have enchanted gargoyles who can survive magic, my troops doesnt and i will lose in most cases.
So from where I stand, I feel like 2v2 and 3v3 (one of the most fun part of the game) is totally unbalanced for DE as there are a lot of losing condition and less winning condition until you survive 2 rounds someone and then you just charge and kill everything but then there areso many counterplays .
I am not complaining that my faction is weak because its not, I dont believe any other faction is as good as DE for hunts or MG (leave the super high damage output from troops but talk in general)
Maybe I am playing this whole thing wrongly but low level DE aren't gonna do MG or shizz they just wanna run it down in 2v3 or 3v3 and it's just not balanced for low level DE
I am just curious to know where others stand on this and maybe we can have some changes done to make DE a strong faction in PvP too
P.S: The alter faction tamer dark elf is even bad because you have insane amount of minotaur that are just gonna get kited by shooter before you even reach them and you dont get much orange shrews, maybe it's stronger when lizard gets upgraded at 12 but eh not before.
No offence to anymore im just tryna learn some stuff and maybe I can improve or maybe the game will :) |
What's the question here please?
Note, DE is one of the dominating faction in PvP and each build/setup has its own advantages and disadvantage. |
eh as a DE main who has played this game for ages, classic DE has always sucked in pvp especially during low levels when you have very limited playstyles to try with...
there are a few things that you can try doing which might help you out a bit...
1. Build some faction resistance
- it helps and you can farm fsp without building the castle from events like the current dungeon one
2. Switch faction
- most people will build another castle ultimately and most high level players have all castles built, so maybe you can try out some new faction like charmer elf which you seem to have a hard time against. Afterwards you will realise that every faction has its shortcomings and there are no perfect factions...xp (I did this myself and learnt it myself by building knight, elf and necro castles when i was lower level for pvp)
Things that you can look forward to
1. TDE playstyle although i hated it myself is actually greatly affected by your summons, it might seem like a weak faction with very little temangents and poison hydras but you have the flexibility of your summons so depends how you use them
2. Mage DE
-mage de is supposed to be the way classic de is played in pvp but its prowess is more clearly seen after you unlock MG 4 and get chain lightning
- many high level DE's play as chaos DE to great effect and as a mage your units are not supposed to have any burst damage at all, they should stay in a corner and keep defending while you use your spells and blast them all away, if your using your troops to charge then your doing it wrong lol
3. Tactics/Luck burst DE
- 1 method I've seen with might classic DE is to have tactics, lots of shrews and very high luck (but this is higher levels) coupled with lizards and dragons, if placement is right and luck favours you, you can wreck havoc in 1st turn and have ladons and some minos to clear up the field after
*and trust me lol, low levels pass by in a flash, you can do survival tourneys to get some exp, but even without them hunts and mg will get you enough exp to level up quite easily |
Lets get real. You have no clue bro. DE is not weak.
Group Battles should not be considered as noone takes those seriously. Play some CG. |
| Post cl 14 mage DE hits like a truck in pvp, i agree that there isnt much to do in lower levels but DE is a faction that nobody wants to stand opposite no matter what. |
| Your and our time would be better spent if you asked for tips on how to play DE rather than writing a wall to vent. |
it will take AGES if I only try to level up with hunt or MG or even CG (it gives 6-8k exp per battle)
2v2 and 3v3 (one of the most fun part of the game)
Read this section https://www.lordswm.com/help.php?section=34
Notice how faction skill level reduces damage taken by 3% per level?
This is another reason why XP/FSP ratio is very important (Apart from the stat boost). This is the reason why people hate leveling up :D cause higher the level, more likely that opponents will have more resistance (and better stats). |
DE is not weak. In last minor tournament, two players scored 15/16 as de at your combat level (10). Study those battles and you will improve your play. Here is a sample battle from one of the gold medalists:
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?lt=-1&warid=1085722140&html5=1 |
Okay, to the guys who just jumped on me like I have no clue what I said, did you even read what I wrote up there mate?
I did mention why I feel, DID YOU READ THAT? "WHY I FEEL", MY PERSONAL OPINION WITH THE given facts and problems I have faced so far.
But nah, too blind with the hate and knowledge that you just straight up run to comment "you have no clue", "if you asked for tips"
I did do that homie probably you missed that part when you were being the big brain eh?
No offence to anymore im just tryna learn some stuff and maybe I can improve or maybe the game will :)
you write that and someone still is offended these days :)
But anywhoo, cyberclops I totally agree with evrything you said and Igles too, I have seen those.
But building into a new faction is just so expensive like it takes hundreds of thousands of gold with very slow cash flow at low levels (and I am not grinding this game hundreds of hours) but thank you for your advice I will try those if and when possible.
What's the question here please?
The question is, I personally feel that DE is slightly weaker in lower level PvP and considering your passive isnt much helpful, so you think there might be different ways to maybe balance it or a different playstyle that I should opt for?
But overall, at the current stage I am just trying to hit hat level 11 ASAP and have a little more agency with my build so any suggestions on what playstyle should I opt for?
And to latviesu lord and Marquis, you just did not think that everyone in this game will take salt and not fireback eh mate? Some of us just come from the more toxic world of gaming, look out who you throw shit at next time and learn to read before you jump to comment.
Have a good day :) |
DE is not weak.
Again, I have said 2v2 and 3v3 mostly.
Hunt, MG, duels de is strong without a doubt |
| You are on a 3 Loss streak, I guess this post is just to vent out your anger. It's ok. :) |
for Majblomma:
Bro lol. That guy has good guilds + shrew upgrades against necro which tier 2 is zombies.
Just go pure attack DE. Your aim is to kill as much as u can. When u level up, u can put all ur stats into def and make an impact.
If this is about CG, try playing duels. I won my past 6 or 7 CG duels I believe. Very easy if u are above average. I would say 80% chance to win unless u face a pumped character (which I just did and still won), but much easier to get gold and CG points as opposed to hoping you get a teammate that works well with u.
U are right that DE is weak in 2v2 and 3v3 but ONLY because everyone wants to kill the shrews first. You need to level up and play caster DE or go for defense builds then u will serve much better. Also your shrews dying first is OK too, does not mean you’re weak but in fact the strongest so they kill u first. |
You are on a 3 Loss streak, I guess this post is just to vent out your anger. It's ok. :)
Nah, what triggers me is people being dumb, which in this case would be an understatement.
How does losing would tilt me? There are battles based on skills and there are battles based on who spent more gold and there's nothing to be angry about either of them, because losing does not do anything, it does not take away my gold, it does take away my experience, I certainly am not losing my money either.
So I think you can come up with a better reason maybe next time?
Have a good day :) |
And come on man, bringing up Minor tournament gold medalist players and saying look at how he plays is NOT an accurate example. I have seen some terrible players with gold medals because of high guild levels and faction resistance. I am an all time bronze medalist player and lost to these pumped characters all the time, not due to skill but stats. I just faced a player who has +5 base stats compared to me in duel. If he won, does that mean he is a good player? I don’t think so. Merely shows he has a star advantage, and even 1 stat parameter can make a huge difference.
I even saw 2 players last MT, who literally waits for the tournament and then play. Like the account is created merely to get as high guilds as possible, then stop playing and only log in during MT to bully the average player. |
everyone wants to kill the shrews first
truer words never said
You need to level up and play caster DE
that is the plan
yeah I will start and try some duels maybe
ty |
Anyways low levels arent well balanced. And you can always go full enchants(armors) in group battles= you are not in disadvantage.
If you go min ap. Of course DE will get rekt. Cause besides shrews rest of army is not made for non full AP battles.
DE is ok in hunts, not very good(nothing rivals elfs and HK).
You seem to understand this all already. There is no other solution for group battles. |
| now thank you for the suggestion, appreciated :) |
Also you getting rekt yourself doesnt mean your team loses.
:D |
Also you getting rekt yourself doesnt mean your team loses.
thats a rare thing :) |
I would go with Latviesu suggestion... Having couple of Enchanted weapon makes group battle easier and also you would easily earn more xp (nearly double) and leveling up becomes easy.
*XP/FSP ratio might be terrible but a lot easier to level up. |
