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The 2 reasons are:
1)No Watch of admin or No policing
2)Players have no belief on admins.
I agree that admins are not here(or they are here?), but player should have a sense of belief on them instead of complaining, we can wait for them or atleast stop complaining.
I agree with MrHellRaiser and LS abt their points, and I say that Admins or Developers should be more in number and half should be here and the other half there.Or atleast 4 admins are needed to run crooked baby server. | blah blah blah
i see only complains on both servers...don't play if you don't like. It looks like the admins own you smth, mb you pay em each month? It's free game, you like it > you play it, not than go and don't cry here. Mb admins have families, or mb some other work!?!?! | for SwartalF:
How about we ban you for being off-topic.
If you have nothing useful to say then dont say anything in future. | I've played some of the "millions other games" on the web. And I'd have to say that my favorite, as far as admin support and response time is one that has multiple servers in almost every non-third world country in the world. From what I understand ALL, or almost all, of their admins are VOLUNTEERS. The admin is a volunteer on say server 4, and as such, not allowed to play in such a way that is has an impact on the development of the world (ie. they may not send armies to destroy others' villages or anything like that, just build a few buildings in their villages.) The forum gets much less attention than the actual gameplay. Yes, they have forum mods too, but as I said, the game play gets much more attention, as it should.
That said, I think those acting as admins now, should speak with the forum mods and see who would be willing to voluntarily have the powers that we all think they should have, such as fining cheaters, blocking multis etc. but possibly have their play limited, or perhaps for pay for moderating gameplay, these mods should get paid a wage (in game gold, and only while they are online) such that they are not blocking up the open enrollment spots for others who are just playing, but still able to take part in combats. And a good reason to allow them to still take part in combats is so they can join such-and-such cheater in combat and see if they are really doing some of the combat issues that are considered cheating, or something to that such.
Overall, I don't have a problem with the gameplay. I don't play a whole lot, and I can deal with the occasional AFK that I find. I just pretty much keep to myself, most of my combats are hunts, and I enroll in employment when I feel like it. But, when a player is threatening someone else's life, there NEEDS to be something done about it. And at this point, the admins with said power, have yet to respond to this thread. As someone else said, it only takes a few seconds to type a response such as, "thank you, this issue is under investigation."
And finally, for the person who said "WE need the admins, the admins don't need us." The admins DO need us. Admins rely on players' input to know what aspects of the game need improvement.
Also, one final thought....just because there may not be as many players on at any given time, doesn't mean that there isn't as many players. As someone else said, most of the Russian speaking people would live within a small time difference (say a few hours) whereas, the English speaking people are spread out all over the world.
Enjoy! | >>> 39: players first, without official ads, who will invite sm?
Could be like this:
players - events - players - no events (long time) - less players. | | the last event excluding valentinesday is two months away. I call 2 months a pretty long time. | the last event excluding valentinesday is two months away. I call 2 months a pretty long time.
In the other game that I use to play, updates are made about every 6 months... And most of the time, it's more or less debug updates.
I find that this game is very dynamic, more than any other I've ever played until now.
Well, there are fewer updates by now, but it still makes much more updates / events as most other games... No need complaining about it IMO. | "WE need the admins, the admins don't need us."
In all reality, I was shocked to read that tid-bit, posted by a Forum Mod no less. This sort of attitude is tyrant-like and goes completely against the notion of 'a better community' I was writing for. I was then relieved to see someone write this: "The admins DO need us. Admins rely on players' input to know what aspects of the game need improvement."
It goes beyond that. Without us, there is only an empty game, so in essence--no game. We simply need an active in-game police force. We have an active Chat/Forum policing force (they are very good at what they do), but we don't have the same level of care with other game matters. I am vehemently against giving most of the existing mods powers of banning, and things of that nature. I have seen what some of them do, and they do well for their small world of simple rules, but out in the community...that sort of attitude is no good.
First off, you would need some native English speakers involved with the policing I am suggesting, and non-native English speakers to support them with the mostly non-english-native rhetorics.
Secondly, they would need some temporary ban powers, which official admins would have either A. Make Permanent, or B. Let slide with a penalty, warning, etc. Why? Because a potential cheater gets an essential "time-out," and it shows the community that the game admins (I'm not talking about developers, since some have deemed the word admin to apply to virtually every nick and knack behind the game) are actually doing their job of servicing the community.
Thirdly, every single member of the admin-police should be able to take complaints against them anonymously to prevent tyrants from abusing this in game power. The complaints should be visible only to the administration, ie the people who make the decisions around here.
Lastly, the community should have a say in who they wish to act as police for the first time around. The police should be independent, and not have any other forum responsibilities outside of the CaA section that could distract them. I have a few people in mind that I know would do good, and have the time/resources to dedicate to this game. I know of them because I play this game virtually every day. It would be impossible to know of these folks if you do not play as actively as some of us do.
"From what I understand ALL, or almost all, of their admins are VOLUNTEERS."
I agree. They volunteer because they LIKE the game, and want to see it do better.
Cheers,
LS | for Slust:
At last something useful to say. I agree with you in points but there is alot of room for updates in this game. | Very constructive posts in this thread, when I look to .ru server also envy them...
well ok map is bigger due to more players, more tournaments due to server age, but what about some interaction of empire like for example Aprils 1 changed artifacts and avatars :) which is so much fun thou. Feel's kind of weird when you see last thing goodbye lags ;) | I think that every player who enjoied this free online game should be grateful for what the admins have done. I am very grateful to all of them.
But "Huston, we have got a problem!!"
An online game is also a comunity. We are a group of peolpe that have a lot of things in common:
- we have and/or use a pc
- we like to play videogames
- we like to play online
- we like to play strategic games
On heroeswm.com there is a comunity of a few hundreds of players who are dedicated (addicted ^__^) players. A big percentage of players are "temporary" They join the game, they enjoied it and play for a while, than they leave for other online games.
I unterstand the point of the players who are trying to put the light on a problem of this game and I believe they are those dedicated player I listed above. A dedicated group of players deserves a dedicated staff.
It's true that lot of people are complaining about new stuff and development, but this is not the point of this post (I think). The author says we need more law and order, the constant presence of a few members of the staff. I totally agree with him!
Plus I believe we need story tellers. I found extremely exciting and amusing the Christmas period, when we had some stories and a funny event. It was like being part of a fantasy world. Without story and events the games is more schematic an far less interesting
I'm not complaining, but I'm not fool neither. I'm tired to listen that we recieve less attention because we are 1/10 of the .ru players. We get 1/10 of the tournaments and events they got, so it's totally reasonable we are only a little more than 1000.
We are still here, we are still grateful, but we should lie if we say that all goes right!
I was part of two big Live Role Play Associations here in Italy. the admins don't need us. WE need the admins it's something I really don't believe!! The admins need us and they can count on us. They give us fun and we are ready to help them, isn't it? You should be surprised discovering what the people could do for those who give them fun and a little part of happiness. They have only to ask for a little help if they need it. This is what I think. | for Slust:
To stay on topic, this did not start as a complaint about the events--or lack thereof.
This topic started because there is a lack of code enforcement. We have no police. So abuse runs rampant, and players are frustrated to voicing disagreements to a 'faceless' and 'voiceless' entity that may, or may not, act on your complaints.
This is what must change. There must be a group of Code enforcers, not just a person or two, and there must be Accountability.
Cheers,
LS | Reading all the posts there have been some very valid points made. Now this is where I burst some bubbles. If you think we don't need the admins or the admins don't need us, you are very WRONG!.
The Admins NEED us and we NEED them period. | I agree with you amanda ^_^
I think you all need to give up complaining about this that and the other and be grateful when they do get here. If it wasnt for them we would still be on mega lag server and yet hardly any of you posted saying thank you, i have seen longer gratz for leveling up to level 7 then the admins got thank you's.
I personally think you lot that complain need to shut your gobs and be patient. If i was game designer everytime you complained i would make you wait longer. | | Actually MasterTi if it wasn't for the people who donated we would still be on laggy servers. However it Takes the admins to move the game to the new server. I agree i have not seen one thread where anyone said Thank you for the new server .What a shame ! | The Admins NEED us and we NEED them period.
Very true Amanda
The Admins HAVE our support and gratitude.
All we are asking is for THIER support in dealing with cheats and abusive players as this is not working at present. | Queen_Amanda:
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1848352&page=1
Everyone, please forgive the poor Ipslne his: "We need admins, they dont need us", he said he is a bit drunk, I think he didnt mean it this way. No staff member has the strict attitude: "Play or go away, we dont care"...as far as I know. | #55
Indeed...it was our Donations that paid for the new server, so to speak :)
But there are many of us who donate a lot to this server to keep it going, but what do we get in return? No lag, that is awesome! But no code enforcement either, really makes me sad.
So the admins need to do this, or they need to recruit up a force here to help them do it. It is a really easy fix. | for MasterTI:
lol so childish! go ahad ban me! roflmao
At last something useful to say. I agree with you
everything else is useless????
[Player banned by moderator Kotrin until 2009-04-01 21:46:06 // He won't ; I will. 2 hours to cool down :)] | for SwartalF:
everything else is useless????
your flooding in the topic with full of reasonable voices is useless and don't worth existence.
btw the admins do need help they can't remember all those heavy stuff that when to block and unblock any char in both servers.
I hope that the community will come up with a solution. |
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