| Author | Comment on Elf Talent - Rain of Arrow |
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so, anyone think that the elf talent - rain of arrow was too good in group battles?
i face a few elf after the update of talent. rain of arrow really can deal serious damage on troops. in early stage, i thought it can only aim 1 opponents per turn. soon, i found out it aim all opponents on battlefield in group battles.
for example:
an elf with favored enemy list on orc, bowmen and imps. in 3 v 3 battlefield, hero with arrow of rain can attack all the stacks of units in the list. let's say there are only 1 stack on each creature. if the hero deal 14 dmg per shot. it kill 2 bowmen, 1 orc, 3 imps in a shot. 14 * 3 = 52.
hence, the more stack you split. the more he can kill. for example: bowmen split into 3 stacks, orc into 2 stack, imps in 3 stack. 14 dmg from hero will kill 8 bowmen, 2 orc, 9 imps. the total dmg is, 14 * 8 = 112 dmg.
imagine if more than 2 elf with rain of arrow in same team?
so, if someone say dont split troops to counter, it would be not smart as well. the purpose to split is to prevent your troops die too fast from a focus attack such as spell and elven bowmen with favored shot and critical.
if you decide not to split those troops, a focus attack of elven bowmen, druid or his partner units such as succubi and orc will easily trash 1 stack in no time.
so, what other think on this elf talent? IMO, it is too good. perhaps, change it as only aim 1 opponents' multi stack and turn down the damage to 120%. |
| lower the damage maybe good idea when multi favors are hit. |
| The rain of arrows is somewhat useful in hunts(if you're lucky enough to get several stacks) and EOFO battles. In other cases it's just not worth sacrificing +1 luck and the ability to cast spells. |
| yes when targeting so many troops surely it would make sense to reduce the damage instead of increase it |
| Than higher level than less useful will be this talent cause more durable creatures will be available and the quantity of its will rising . |
I prefer Luck (especially in hunt) instead of Rain of arrows.
But agree that in 3 vs 3 battles Rain of arrows is better. |
| My sister have an elf, and even she thinks that Rain of Arrow makes elfves more overpowered. |
| i say it really unfair it kills all ur archers when u split up and u have to cause of bloody druids!!! |
Why are you all whinging?
Every single person who plays knows full well that Elves are always the first target in a battle, even the NPC mobs go for Elves first.
You don't moan about demons gating ability, mage creatures casting powerful magic punch, earth spikes spell power, or any number of other things ! |
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And you do not think that "everyone whining" about one particular faction is an indication of something? :)
Like say a deficiancy or a slight micalculation on the part of the game designers.
But you are right we should all just stop bashing one faction and spread the "whining" around. I propose next week everyone complain about the demons gating ability... that is so overpowered in relation to the elves faction. /sarcasm |
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funny, the topic was mark as comments. so, i am giving the comments. is comment equal to whining?
elves are always be 1st target in battles. so? i m not mention in hunt nor duel but group fight. in group fight, elf will take out all threat in afew shot with druid and elven bowmen.
so, what other faction going to counter it? most range units will just die or lose units heavily. are you going to suggest to trash over the druid wall with melee?
if 2 or more elf in the same team, you dont even have much chance to get near, NOT even swordsmen with large shield ability.
IMO, rain of arrow is just to prevent other faction to split the troops into multi stacks to survive from 1st round as i mention in my comments. if you split, rain of arrow will hurt you hard; if you dont split, some focus attacks from druid and elven bowmen will wipe a signle stack in 1st round even faster. this talent skill make the elf win the battle even faster.
1 more thing for you, most elf faction player like you will disagree on any overpowered of elf as you are enjoying easy win :) |
Fine, keep bashing Elves.
Maybe I should start a thread on Mage being overpowered with the Reflect skill, which incidentally, has a 1 in 5 chance that the reflect goes to ANY other target on the battlefield, including friendly units!
Or maybe Necromancers being overpowered becase they can keep resurrecting their units over and over.
I could go on, but I won't, because I appreciate every single race has their advantages and disadvantages. Everyone is overpowered in one aspect and weak in another. It's what makes the game diverse.
If elves were as overpowered and godly like many people presume, why does anyone bother playing any other race? Maybe because the presumtion is false? |
The best opponent for that skill is a mage, coz he MUST to split mages.
and after first elfen hero move, he lose almost 5 mages, its redicules for me.
this skill must be down to lower damage. |
lol rayva you yourself switched from demon to elf soy ou must've realised they were the stronger option.
i'm thinking we'll be seeing some 'no elf' battles around here soon |
Maybe I should start a thread on Mage being overpowered with the Reflect skill, which incidentally, has a 1 in 5 chance that the reflect goes to ANY other target on the battlefield, including friendly units!
errr isn't that a BAD thing that it can reflect to friendlies? >.> hows that overpowered? |
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I think short of "No arts" the "No elves" is #1 on description.
Besides that, as was mentioned, elves are ALWAYS targeted first in group battles. If they (we) get a few good shots off before dying from group attacks then I'm all for it. Similarly, the stacks the rain of arrows hits is high, but the damage dealt is relatively low - consider the damage dealt by a high level Mage, or if the Elf chose to build Spell power up instead of Att/Def. Just about equal damage then. It other words, just like all the other times someone has posted that one faction is imbalanced, there is a balance to it, you just have to find your way through strategy or odds to see it. |
15. errr isn't that a BAD thing that it can reflect to friendlies? >.> hows that overpowered?
Hehe, when you get to level 5, you will see for yourself.
EG: 1 v 1
Druid blasts any one of the Mage units with Lightning...
Reflect has 20% chance to work
Reflect works and the damage is bounced to another unit.
At this point the Mage only stands 50% chance (more or less depending on total stacks on battlefield) of getting hit.
Last time it happened to me, it reflected to my own Forest Keepers... killed by friendly fire.
14. lol rayva you yourself switched from demon to elf soy ou must've realised they were the stronger option.
Actually, I changed away from Demon because I was bored for most of the battle.
Besides Wolfhounds, initiative is too low to get much action.
Add gating to the mix... I was just bored with Demon slow play.
I guess on the plus side, Elves see a lot of action, albeit hostile ;) |
IHMO Rain of Arrow destroy 2 tactics at once:
1. hero can kill all "punchers" (1 unit stack, who exist only for take retaliation from enemies);
2. hero can kill all "alive obstacles" (1 unit stack, who exist only for block enemie's way to strong/ranged units, often used also for block large creatures);
before - very hard win against Elves
now - almost imposible |
12 To Rayva, if you would be so generous to explain to me what weakness elves have as you claim each race has its weakness and strength. I have seen no forum saying elves suck are underpowered etc so please if you feel they are a balenced faction then what is their weakness. I do not believe that the fact they are targeted 1st is a weakness but more a general tactic by players to try and cope with such a leathal faction, I mean isn't the fact that players will always go for the elf first an indication that they are the strongest race.
Now as for the rain of arrows it is by far the best racial talent ability, I could live with it as a talent on the inner circle of the wheel but as the elves racial talent the way it is it is far too good. |
| rain of arrows, unlike other faction talents loses its worth when you gain high levels. |
