| Author | Dark Elf - please read |
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| Sorry for mistakes. I had to bundle out. |
I agree all that DE is weak. Rogues are strong at low level, but at higher level they are just not worth it, HP and defense is so low that most would be destroyed in first turn by enemy range attackers. Lizard is OK I guess, but hydra is just rubbish being so low initiative and so slow in speed, by the time it reaches the enemy it's already been shot like 10 times. Don't know about dark witch yet.
I am seriously considering to change faction now. Come to think it, it doesn't hurt right? since developing dark elf faction level is useless (magic piecing? what a joke), it would be just fine to switch to other faction, and if I feel like it I can switch back later. |
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Hydra is the best with advanced mass cast of acceleration.))
But rogues are really for breakfast. And minotaurs...it`s just meat, with such a low defence.
Lizards are deadly in good hands.)
I think withces are very good - range attack + bloodfrenzy cast. Well balanced, I think. |
Hydra is the best with advanced mass cast of acceleration.))
She get only low bonus with her low initiative.
Hydra is the best only with upgrade & teleport. |
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where do you learn mass speed? you can't learn holy spell as dark elf. |
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The MAIN problem of DE - low hp of army... |
where do you learn mass speed? you can't learn holy spell as dark elf.
:)
Go & look on skillwheel of dark elf ;) Offence ;)
And also allie can cast it. |
| I don't think because it's on the talent wheel and you automatically learn holy spell. This talent is only useful for those who can access both offense talent and also holy spell, for example, knight. |
| That`s why DE should have many spellpower points...really helpful against necromancers and knights, and also against elf-archers. But 9 lvl changes everything..) |
I don't think because it's on the talent wheel and you automatically learn holy spell
You AUTOMATICALLY learn it ;) |
DarkAssault,
DE are not underpowered, and their faction skill can be a real danger.
For wizards, for example, cause you choosed to compare to them. Their golems are the only unit wizards can hope to be real tanks. Golems can be destroyed by spells by DE as simply as any other units.
You said every other faction have very interesting talents. I quote:
"Barb = good magic defense (as pretty much all factions have spell access)"
So, DE don't care about Barb talent. Should we say DE are underpowered, but Barbs are still more underpowered?
Just a thing: You said you played all the HoMM, except the 5. I must tell you that it's on the 5, HWM is based, and the most important subject about the game treated by players who practised a lot HoMM5 was that DE was overpowered.
I don't say they're overpowered, but it shows how each faction always see the others stronger than him.
If you practised HoMM5, you would have see that the primary skill most important for them is spellpower.
I think your pb in HWM is your lack of powerspell. You don't play a might faction, but a magic one, so rise your spellpower, and you'll see your adversaries crying when you spellcast.
1 in spellpower makes sure your spell are not a danger. Try to see battles of a DE who has only 3 in spellpower, and you'll see what makes is spells, even vs golems, even vs barbs. |
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Exactly DE have to break the defence of barbarians and not otherwise. Because DE only pierce a percent of resistance and not the full, which depends on the skill level. A DE with 7 points cannot -ignore- the spell resistance of a barbarian with skill level 7.
And golems have anyway 75 % of magic defence. And this time DE have to -break-the defence. The same with gargoyles and black dragons.
So, the conclusion - barbarian just have magic resistance and "relax". With mythril the situation gets even worse, much worse.
Yes, for example DE has 13 spellpower points and 4 knowledge. Does it help against 52 swordsmen or 55 obsidian gargoyles. Or against cannibals? And if the opponent has mythril clothes?
that's put the lid on him, I think.
A balance between attack and sp is necessary. And if the spells do not help, why does a DE need chaos? isn`t it better to make a curse or poison, like a necro?
Then it isn`t the real DE. And the only hope to win is to pump attack...but does it help against mega-defence of a knight?)))
Solution - Either the effect of magic piercing will be changed or we replace it by element splitting or omething like that or add more "meat", or we make a @Win button@ for dark elves. ;)) |
Listen. Dark elf's faction unique ability needs to be changed/buffed because it is rarely being utilized. that was pretty much what i was trying to get at in the first place lol
Thus is why dark elves are underpowered. and no dont be silly, they are not overpowered |
I think your pb in HWM is your lack of powerspell.
No. You'll see soon, spellpower are useless for DE for now. |
DuskCarnivore, I really don't understand why you say a DE can't ignore Barbs resistance.
Barbs magic proof is 5%+7% x faction level
DE piercing is 10%+8% x faction level
So, if their faction lvl is 7, magic proof is 54%, and piercing is 66%.
So, all magic proof is annihilated. Or did I not understood the way they function?
And for the swordsmen, I already fight vs DE who has just 5 power (not 13), and my swordsmen suffered a lot before minos come to finish them. After, yes, I don't want to say a DE doesn't need a balance between attack and spellpower, but I think if a DE keep 1 in sp, his spells cannot do any damages.
After, I think too element splitting would be a good faction skill for DE. It would bring a little more entropy in battles...
To DarkAssault, I didn't say DE were overpowered. Read what people write before using insulting words. It's easy to insult people when you're hided behind your computer. |
Solmyr, I don't understand why spellpower would be useless for DE. Their first streng isn't destruction spells?
With spells that can reduce big stacks of ennemy to finish them when weakened, it's a really effective strategy. At least, in HoMM. |
So, all magic proof is annihilated. Or did I not understood the way they function?
You didn't understood.
Barbs magic proof is 5%+7% x faction level
DE piercing is 10%+8% x faction level and is used to NEGATE magic resistance.
So, a Dark Elf with faction level 7 (which does not happen quite often) negates 66% of the magic resistance of his targets. It means that the faction level 7 barbarian of your example has a magic resistance of 18% against the Dark Elf instead of his regular 54%.
Still, largely enough to crush the Dark Elf. |
| dark elf rouges r good in free for all and they have shrews if u combine them with the talent that gives u a extra row in troop settlement and they can reach the other side in just 1 turn then they run back AND they don't get hit back best unit 2 fight other melee unit with cuz it will take a fk 3 turns 2 hit them 1 time.in other words wait till later levels and they will be better u will see |
uhm Kotrin i kinda dont understand what you said so i looked it up in the info about the game and it said this for the ability; "Dark elves have a unique ability to inflict extra damage with magic to creatures that have magic shield, and even pierce through magic proof and immunity. Damage dealt depends on hero's Dark elf skill level." Now i dont know what that means for sure but it seems to me that they can actually do more dmg to those who are protected by magic shield.. Correct me if im wrong and DE arent that weak if they are used right...
As dynastyera said later on DE would have phenomenal troops so patience...
XD |
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Here it is even 10 + 8* lvl. In .ru it was only 5 + 7* lvl))
But anyway, practically it is otherwise. Because that piercing percent is not simply a percent, but a percent of that golem`s or barbarian`s resistance.
I`ll explain:
Barbarian (as an example) have primary resistance anyway.
So, that means
- if barbarian skill level 7
-> 54%
DE- 7 lvl
-> 66%
And now we reckon the percent.
54% - (54%/100 * 66%) = 18, 36.
Conclusion - barbarian resistance amount 18, 36 % anyway.
The same with golems.
Don`t really know about black dragons and gargoyles...they`ve immunity and DE just breaks it. Don`t know about the resistance then.
And if we think logically - barbarian racial skill would be a spillikin, if DE could ignore the resistance.)) |
