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AuthorDerryk leaves the game and....
https://www.lordswm.com/pl_transfers.php?id=4300196&page=0


04-04-09 20:11: Transferred element(s): 'Tiger`s claw' 13 pcs. to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 20:11: Transferred element(s): 'Moonstone' 10 pcs. to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 20:10: Transferred element(s): 'Ice crystal' 11 pcs. to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 20:10: Transferred element(s): 'Viper venom' 5 pcs. to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 20:10: Transferred element(s): 'Abrasive' 55 pcs. to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 20:09: Transferred element(s): 'Witch bloom' 7 pcs. to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 20:09: Transferred element(s): 'Fire crystal' 55 pcs. to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 20:09: Transferred element(s): 'Windflower' 12 pcs. to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 20:09: Transferred element(s): 'Toadstool' 37 pcs. to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 20:08: Transferred element(s): 'Meteorite shard' 37 pcs. to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 20:05: Transferred 378284 Gold 30 Gems 30 Crystals 20 Sulfur 20 Mercury 63 Ore 59 Wood to Set_Sveta :
04-04-09 20:02: Transferred item(s): 'Signet-ring of might' [8/38] to Kotrin
04-04-09 20:02: Transferred item(s): 'Light mithril boots' [6/53] to Kotrin
04-04-09 20:02: Transferred item(s): 'Dagger of vengeance [E7]' [3/17] to Kotrin
04-04-09 20:02: Transferred item(s): 'Mithril longsword' [18/70] to Kotrin
04-04-09 20:02: Transferred item(s): 'Longbow' [17/50] to Kotrin
04-04-09 20:01: Transferred item(s): 'Warrior pendant' [6/47] to Kotrin
04-04-09 20:01: Transferred item(s): 'Light mithril coif' [25/69] to Kotrin
04-04-09 20:00: Transferred item(s): 'Platemail' [7/75] to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 20:00: Transferred item(s): 'Signet-ring of might' [8/38] to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 20:00: Transferred item(s): 'Dragon shield' [21/70] to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 20:00: Transferred item(s): 'Sword of might [E7A7W7]' [24/65] to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 19:59: Transferred item(s): 'Longbow [E7A7W7]' [6/24] to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 19:59: Transferred item(s): 'Great hunter ring of dexterity' [10/10] to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 19:59: Transferred item(s): 'Great hunter ring of dexterity' [10/10] to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 19:59: Transferred item(s): 'Thief ring [N1F2]' [0/54] to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 19:59: Transferred item(s): 'Thief ring [N1F2]' [0/54] to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 19:58: Transferred item(s): 'Great hunter boots' [10/10] to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 19:58: Transferred item(s): 'Thief boots' [0/54] to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 19:58: Transferred item(s): 'Great hunter arrows' [10/10] to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 19:58: Transferred item(s): 'Thief dagger [E8A8W8]' [0/54] to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 19:58: Transferred item(s): 'Great hunter sword' [10/10] to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 19:57: Transferred item(s): 'Thief crossbow [E8A8W8]' [0/54] to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 19:57: Transferred item(s): 'Thief cloak [F3]' [0/54] to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 19:57: Transferred item(s): 'Thief armor' [0/54] to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 19:57: Transferred item(s): 'Great hunter amulet' [10/10] to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 19:57: Transferred item(s): 'Thief mask' [0/54] to Set_Sveta
04-04-09 19:56: Transferred item(s): 'Great hunter helmet' [10/10] to Set_Sveta


I do belive that that was 100% of his total value, please block derryk and remove the gifts that the players recieved from him after quitting.
Wow Hatred, you are kick. But I've already sent back all items received from Derryk.

Thanks for your keen eye ;)
1) It was donation not only for me, so it was for clan.
2) If administrations sad that we must return it - i will do it.

Can be at first it is necessary to think the head, and then already to write such topics?

For Administration:
I trust you understand this trasfers.
well, actually i guess that you could have kept them kotrin since the value of the items you recieved would be less than 30% of his value but set sveta got about 95% or so :D
3.14. Large transfers without cause and description are prohibited. All debts must be returned one month after receiving, or else the transaction will be regarded as violation of par. 3.6. When giving or returning debts, providing the transfer description is compulsory.

3.15. Large transfers for the reason of leaving the game etc. are forbidden. Presents must not exceed 30% of the monetary property of the character per month. Monetary property is considered: gold + seven primary resources (wood, ore, mercury, sulfur, crystals, gems, leather) only. Rare trophies, Thief invitations, etc. transferred as gifts are valued at market price.
In elements, gold and resources: 900 000
In artifacts about: 200 000-300 000.
Well I think it's fair play to return it, since it is not fair to other players.

Therefore I want to give Kotrin my compliment for returning it already. I hope that Set_Sveta also returns the gifts, so that it's not neccessary to give bans.
[Player banned by moderator Kotrin until 2009-04-05 08:19:11 // Thanks, but please refrain from posting personal comments in CaA threads. Warning.]
is this not a good enough

Good buy all.
Thanks a lot.
Don't trouble Kotrin and Set_sveta. It was my desision.
it would take to long to sigh every so i think she she could keep
[Player banned by moderator Zyanya until 2009-04-07 10:53:26 // No personal comments in CaA. Relapse.]
for matt__777:

Are you insane or something, or do you not understand the concept of RULES.
[Player banned by moderator Kotrin until 2009-04-05 08:19:32 // Please refrain from posting personal comments in CaA threads. Warning.]
But why quit the game? :(
[Player banned by moderator Kotrin until 2009-04-05 08:20:04 // CaA threads are not the place for discussion. Warning.]
1. If you aren't related to the application directly - don't leave your messages in it's topic. Third-party comments are allowed only for providing additional facts about the affair, or for replacing the link to warlog with the more readable battlechat. Discussions, expressing personal opinions, etc. are penalized with at least 24 hour ban.

Before the next person posts, I will quote rule 1 for CaA at the risk of getting a 24 hour ban myself XD
[Post deleted by moderator Kotrin // Flood]
ok!
3.14. Large transfers without cause and description are prohibited. All debts must be returned one month after receiving, or else the transaction will be regarded as violation of par. 3.6. When giving or returning debts, providing the transfer description is compulsory.

I've retunr all arts. All money and money and res - after one month. :)
3.14. Large transfers without cause and description are prohibited. [...] When giving or returning debts, providing the transfer description is compulsory.
3.15. Large transfers for the reason of leaving the game etc. are forbidden.[...]


Removed everything from those rules that does not apply to you. Last sentence of 3.14 is violated, therefor 1 month period does not apply.

For the sake of completion, a 100k loan is also still outstanding (but not yet due):

03-30-09 17:43: Received 150000 Gold from Derryk : 50000 till tomorrow and 100000 for 2 weeks
04-01-09 11:24: Transferred 50000 Gold to Derryk : Return of loan 50 000
1) It was donation not only for me, so it was for clan.
2) If administrations sad that we must return it - i will do it.


3.15.1. Weekly clan taxes mustn't exceed 300*[character combat level] gold. The maximal term for advance payment is 1 month, it is illegal to prepay and to collect taxes for longer periods.1) It was donation not only for me, so it was for clan.

I know this isn't a tax, but it must be the same when donating so much arts to the clan, and thereby the rules are broken
[Post deleted by moderator Kotrin // off-topic]
[Post deleted by moderator Kotrin // No argument here.]
If we begin it, 90% of players must be blocked for braking the rules.

"Nobody never sees a dust in own eyes, but notices the another's."
[Player banned by moderator Kotrin until 2009-04-06 13:42:29 // Do not argue here. And if you want to post, bring FACTS.]
For all of you eager to express their opinions: would you be so kind to recall the local rules of CaA forum, please? (https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1838938)
The first one, to begin with: 1. If you aren't related to the application directly - don't leave your messages in it's topic. Third-party comments are allowed only for providing additional facts about the affair, or for replacing the link to warlog with the more readable battlechat. Discussions, expressing personal opinions, etc. are penalized with at least 24 hour ban.
No memory refreshments yet? Then visit this topic, please: https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1851777

It truly amazes me, that no one has ever 'found' a simple way how to let his/her urge to express out. Want to discuss an application? Share your thoughts? Argue? Not in CaA though - create a separate topic in Off-game instead, and debate there 'to death' (if you'd like to =)

MasterTI's right in his words, No offense set but rules are rules..
[Player banned by moderator cepruyc until 2009-04-06 17:58:57 // CaA local rule 1.]
The transfer description would have to state it is for clan, and then it would have to be shown on clan page.

Do such descriptions exist in this case?

Someone Donated a dagger to my clan (Every rental goes into clan treasury) and it is clearly marked on his log and mine, and on clan page.

But yea, clan donations are clearly not under any rules at this time (especially since so many people are donating heavy gold for the war clan upgrade coming soon)

Cheers,
LS
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