| Author | Assurance for tgi |
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Hi everyone,
I don't know if someone had aver posted something like this before, and i hope that i will not talk about a well known question.
first of all, i will describe my situaton, that is common to someone. I have rented my tgi to a player, and this player stopped to play after losing all his golds on roulette.
DON'T say me that i have to check him before, because he looked good and wealthy when he rented the tgi. I have checked him.
So, now i have lost my tgi, that could be rented or sold.
My suggestion is to create a sort of "assurance" with the empire for the missed tgi. The empire will not suffer too much, i think, and we can have a good form of cash.
I feared a thing like this and.. well, i had my reasons.
My prpose is that other people will not suffer the loss i have suffered. Hope you will understand. |
Yes we understant this, but - if you not loose the TGI and others dont aso then in long term there will be SO many TGI then noone will buy for a real money... and i think empier wount like it...
I know this is a risk to rent out... (I hope you get some money orarts from previous rents..) |
@Mr_eee: it was my first rent. Sooo lucky :)
And about the problem you see, i think that it wouldn't be a big problem for a decent administrator to erase the tgi from the renter, and give it back to the keeper. A sort of assurance, as i said. With the distruction of every caravan battle he have had since that time. |
| How would you apply this for those who have already lost their TGIs? |
Omega22: well, this is a good question. I'm one of these guys.
I think that the presence of precedents don't have to stop the improvement.
Something must be done, the situation is ridiculous.
Yeah, ok, someone have lost their tgi before, but i think that it would be too difficult to replace the tgis of the precedent losers.
And i said it not because it's a difficult thing, but 'cause our admins find difficult to punish the simple cheaters, imagine them if they have to chck all the precedent frauds.
So, my suggestion is to create an assurance for the people who will rent tgi until now. And, if admins can do it, to give tgi to the precedent "losers of tgi". But i don't hope too much about my last sentence. |
5 dont worry admin on .ru already solved ur problem by geting only 1 TGI at TG lvl 5.
No more renting = no more problems |
No more renting = no more problems
too bad I have to agree with this.
On one side, i think the idea of an assurance is good. empire can just cancel the tgi from the player who has totally abandoned it, plus enforcing a sort of ban on the said player. then the renter will receive compensation for the tgi.
The downside to this is that empire will have to be the one in charge of all tgi rents; meaning rentals have to be done strictly with either admins or a AI enforcer. thats just my opinion
+1 to the concept ^^ |
Marked_one: you are right, i have to said. You are extremely right. I have decided to rent my tgi only one time and... these are the results :)
By the way, if they continue to allow the renting service, do you agree with me? do you like the idea, or not?
arcanyx: you are right, but i think that renting would be surely better than now. Believe me, i checked the player, almost three times before renting him something. Shit happens, as it have been said.
[Player banned by moderator Takesister until 2009-09-30 23:08:49 // Don't use foul language. First word of last sentence. Warning Ban 15 minutes] |
| Everyone who rents out a TGI is (or rather should be) aware of the risk and sets the price accordingly, that means the potential loss of the TGI is part of it. If you want to engage in risky deals, that’s fine with me but then don’t hold anyone but yourself liable, it’s simply not Empire’s job to clean up your mess. If there were an assurance this would also affect the renting price since no risk would increase the supply and without a charge to make up for a potential loss, you wouldn’t yield more than a few thousand gold per rent. Finally this would be unfair to those who decided to sell their TGI to avoid any risk. |
| Relax, boys. This will never happen. On .ru changes in TG has occured - starting from October a thiever may receive a TGI only once (upon reaching 5 TG lvl). This will bury TGI leases, and sooner or later this impovement will come to .com |
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Hmm then time to buy all possible TGI and keep till price will go up ;)
If no renting options and only 1 @lvl 5 then the price must go up. |
What are you talking about?
Why renting TGI is so risky?
Do you really can't take it back?
For example, I rent Longbow [E10A10W10F10] without any risk, because when I specify:
1) the price
2) for how many days
3) for how many battles
If the time has passed then I can always take it back by myself.
If you really can't take TGI back then it was NOT RENTING (it was rather LOANING or GIFTING and hoping to get the gift back).
And if indeed there is no way to rent TGI then the obvious and simple suggestion is this:
make it possible to rent TGI (as any other normal item). |
for Robai:
Yep it is indeed impossible currently to rent a TGI with an option to withdraw it. When you rent a TGI, the person uses it to enter meaning it disappears from their inventory. When they reach TG2, they get back the invite which they are expected to return. |
@fusei: actually it's not MY mess, it is the mess of the man i have rented the tgi. So, it could be nice to do something for avoid the risk to lose a lot of hours of our lives, spended in ambushing and losing artifacts. You are wrong when you said that prices will be less than now. Remember that you have to pay for it, unless you rent it.
I don't want to spend 80 euros for a game, neither the player who are looking for rental (or better said, for loaning) service. Personally, i have a life, outside this game :) |
| if the player doesnt return within the agreed upon date, you can have them banned I believe that is about it. Loaning tgi is a risky venture, I did it with one RL friend and now I am selling. |
actually it's not MY mess, it is the mess of the man i have rented the tgi.
It is since your the one who decided to take a risk and transfered that TGI and your the one who has a problem with the result.
So, it could be nice to do something for avoid the risk to lose a lot of hours of our lives, spended in ambushing and losing artifacts.
There is such an option, just sell it.
You are wrong when you said that prices will be less than now. Remember that you have to pay for it, unless you rent it.
First, no risk would entice more players to rent out their TGI instead of selling them and second, right now it's hard to negotiate the price down since it has to be worth the risk, but if there's no such risk you more readily drop your price to make the deal, since you know others will.
I can understand that your not particularly happy with the situation (I certainly wouldn't be), but it was your choice and it's your problem so don't expect anyone else to fix it. |
@fusei: i have write this before, i don't want my tgi back. I just want to help the next ones, who will surely be in my situation. I don't want anything for me now, believe me :)
I have not so much time to play, so having a tgi is secondary. My objective it's to create a sort of assurance for th people who have checked the player's condition, ok, but are in the same situation of a player that have not did the same. Without tgi.
My renter lose all is money on the roulette, this is a casual thing. I cannot imagine a thing like this, that's it.
But i want to make the others avoid the risk. |
| isn't there suppose to be a risk involved in business, if you are able to get insurance for tgi leasing then there would be zero risk involved? |
You only rent TGIs to people who want to be thieves. When a thief then steals it then that is their nature :(
However, it would not be too difficult for the system to return your TGI after one month. If the person has it in their inventory then it is taken from there. If they return it before 1 month then rental is closed so no further action needed.
If the system has to return it for you then it does so and the renter gets an automatic ban.
However I dont think this will happen as I am sure the plan is for us to move to the .ru system when admins are ready.
More of an issue in my opinion is that if you rent a TGI now and we get the update before the renter gets to TG2 then it is effectively lost at no fault of either the renter or you both of who are acting in good faith! |
| 3.17. The Administration does not take responsibility for the unreturned debts and does not guarantee compensation in case of swindling by other players. When a loan is not returned in time, (the time must be written in the transfer logs, no more than a month) the swindler will be imposed a penalty of a sum twice as much. If the term isn't posted in the transfer logs, the penalty will occur 1 month after the loan transaction. The creditor does not get compensation. |
