| Author | Too much ap |
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Does anyone think that if you wear a lot of good arts noone will join a group battle?
Because at level 7 right now i use 44 ap and someone told me that i should use just max 30 ap so i won't scare people a way. What you think i should do?
Maybe they are just jealous.... |
Set it up using your 44 ap. If nobody joins after a few tries, don't bother setting up one with 30 ap, wait until a Group battle turns up with no AP limit and join it with 44 ap.
Chances are if you were to set it up, wearing just 30 ap, Someone else with 44 will join and you won't stand much of a chance anymore ;P
Lords are like that! |
i know but most people are not so stupid with their money like me and buy almost best arts.
Would you join a level 7 group battle when someone has 44 ap like-
Sword of M 8
Dragon sheild 5
2 rings of abs 10
Thief mask 4
cuirass 4
longbow 4
steel boots 4
Pendant of despair 8 |
I would if I could equal or better that amount of AP.
Honestly, often I join max AP battles with a minimal amount of AP and still enjoy them.
If you are worried about scaring people away, like I said, join battles that are set up by other players, that way they won't be able to escape you!
So I guess, my answer to that question is no. I would not join your 44 ap with my minimal or anything up to 25AP. Wearing my 25-35 AP against your 44, I would probably join . Wearing my 35+ AP, Bring it on! |
| Do you think 44 for a level 7 is waste of money? |
no i think
since lvl 7 i have full arts(30++ AP)
but i still can provide 2 faction here
and a plenty elementals |
| No, unless you use that for every battle. I had higher AP when I was level 7. |
Does anyone think that if you wear a lot of good arts no one will join a group battle?
I've seen it countless times. People don't want to play with full arts. Even those wealthy enough to get a full set are reluctant to join - they all prefer jumping in a lower-AP battle with all their gear on to make a difference. All too easy to claim "hey, sorry, I misread battle description". :/
It's only in specific environments - like a friendly tournament - that people may accept to join GB with full arts. But even then, they are more likely to ask a min-AP battle.
People are reluctant to use artifacts, because it costs gold. If they see someone with full arts, it means they'll probably get crushed and won't join.
No solution to your dilemma, sorry. |
join battles that are set up by other players, although we dont have rules to encounter those not follow the battle description.
well, try to be ethic, slightly? you dont have to use overpowered AP (example: you use 50 AP in a 24 AP fight) to kick someone. this could reduce some complaints on forum which lead to a ban AND spending mod's time to deal with them XD
in general, similar AP can kick each other in a reasonable cost. overpowered AP often offer you a bigger chance to win BUT it wasnt a guarantee win.
most players prefer the fast way to lv, therefore they have low lv on labor guild. so, the only legal way for them to reduce the cost of fight: use less AP :) |
So at level 7 would you make a group battle 2vs2 or 3vs3 7-7 with 44 ap or the avarage 25-30?
Do you think it would waste TOO much time to wait? |
Do you think 44 for a level 7 is waste of money?
No, only roulette is really a waste of money. |
I think it is a major waste of money. That comes from a mainly wizard player. "Yay" for 'luxury' mini-arts that drain millions and make our troops hardly equal to others'. -_-
Most annoying? People joining "AP=x" fights with those 47 or whatever. And even openly telling they "don't care about AP limit rules and just join with their full gear". That seriously should be punishable.
Ummmm... I digress. I obviouly cannot speak for all, just for me: I'd generally shy away from such high-AP battles. I cannot afford them without damaging myself in the medium to long run. Sometimes, if I feel like it, I might join with minAP though |
The thing that I am thinking about for a long time. Why in heavens should anyone be able to set AP limit or any other description preventing players from joining a combat?
It is totally unfair. If you dont have the gold to buy arts, why prevent others from using them. I always respected these rules but I am still thinking..why?
Setting like no enchants, no more than 10 AP, no wizard, no more than 50 mana, no elf are all the same. Set to fit the creator of the game the best and then let them shout, hey you broke the rules, dont you read the description? |
13: maybe because they want a fair battle.
they want to have fun, with a good fight were both side have their chances to win, they don't want to be stuck in a boring battle where we all knows the winner before the very first move.
if they have min AP, they want to fight against min AP players.
playing against full arts payers with min AP is just boring, and a waste of time for them.
they don't have enough money to buy good arts, that's not a reason to force them to choose between:
1: being crushed every time without any fun.
2: don't play group battles anymore.
it's normal to give them the opportunity to have interesting battles with other players. |
with a good fight were both side have their chances to win
Arts are only one thing influencing these chances. Almost no battle has fair chances for everyone and the thing actually works other way around. You almost cannot find a normal battle where you can take your arts so you stop playing group battles at all.
Dont forget the system of battles is set to be fair with full arts. That was one of the reasons for AP enforcement. Because while good tripple mini-arts for example provide only a slight advantage in full arts fight, they create a great gap in min-ap fight.
I just think making decription preventing particular factions, enchantments, game-styles, skill levels from playing is wrong and damages the gameplay for everyone.
Also, if you are afraid of losing, make it random, then it is 50%-50% who will lose. Even when you set maximum AP, one side is always in advantage. |
i don't want to have pefectly balanced battles, i just want battles were both sides can hope a victory.
sometimes you will have 60% chances of winning, sometimes 75%, sometimes only 30%, but you will always have a chance to win.
if you take a full arts players agains a min AP player, the full art player will win automatically, difference made by artifacts is just too big.
for exemple, i was once ambushed by a knight at combat level6 or7.
he was wearing full arts, i was travelling naked.
the knight was AFK at the beginning, he missed the troops settlement, then he lost the fisrt turns of each of his stacks.
when he began the battle, all his bowmen were already dead.
he just used escort on swords with the hero, and that was enough to win.
he could have missed all his other moves, just the escort on swords would have been enough to win the battle, my whole army would have been unable to kill the swords before being killed by the hero. |
- Wizard-friendly artifacts cost more than attack/defense friendly artifacts
- Wizards NEED "luxury" mini-arts to get their troops roughly equal to most other troops without improvements...
Now, maybe if all factions needed to get up their troops or had to pay the same for arts suited to their style...
But as is, if you have to save for whatever you really cannot afford "max AP" - and I fail to see the max AP as anything that really benefits. The top-dog outfit will be almost the same for anybody anyway - so then, why not take the lowest set? Makes no difference. And if you say "but I want to spend all I have NOW"... well... just realise that that may be an option for your faction (likely not factionS) but not for others with other medium and long term plans. It is hard enough as it is starting up secondary factions...and to fund mini-arts... and to get a thieves guild invite... and to level up thieves guild (ok, the latter one not so much).
So, ultimately, I answer with a counter-question: Why should I play max AP battles when I know it only harms me in the long run? And why should I have to put up with players throwing in all their money to overpower others now - with players who don't care for whatever reason for the long run, maybe because they only want their one faction forever and that faction is "cheap"? |
for DerMagus:
Wizards Triple mini-arts give a huge advantage while playing Min AP battle, dont you know that already ? |
| Im gonna sound like a newbie, but what is AP? |
Dan-Panic: getting them in the first place requires millions which is the reason I cannot participate in maxAP fights. Weird, eh?
AP= Ammunition points. Why ammunition is beyond me... artifact points would be much more fitting. From level 5 onwards you need an increasing amount of AP to fight (against anything). Artifacts worn by the hero give AP. |
