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| Author | Afk in a group battle should pay |
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I think it is about being reasonable and showing good courtesy. If you go afk it may not be your fault, though it certainly is more your fault than it can be anyone elses. In this situation your teammates may lose out and be disadvantaged, as well as your opposition. It is therefore fair and reasonable that compensation should be metered out to those people. A vastly punative measure would not solve it, but I think a small automatic payment would sweeten the blow. I know myself, I have gone AFK before and forgotton to pay the people I incovenienced. No punative measure would have stopped me going AFK as it was a balance between interacteing in the real world and in this one, and I chose the real one. However, if gold had auomatically been paid to the victims it would have saved me forgetting when I logged back on next a week later.
I am +1 but with less harsh gold limits. I would say whatever the value of a min art set is for that level. | | I agree with jrf Get like penalty 1000k | | But icondorgl is correct | it's about money. If I play PvP full-arted, I expect my expensive arts to earn some experience.
I'm sure your opponent expected to get some experience from their expensive arts too, not to get 0exp 0fsp and -2 to luck instead!
I agree.
so somebody could make like, 10+ different accounts and make mixed battles, AFK, and transfer gold that way without anyone noticing?
Very well man.But someone can cheat with invite link too or hack.No way to stop the cheaters If u do u will damage non-cheaters too.but I agree. | AFK penalty is ok...
i think 1 is forgiveable -2 luck, no financial penalty (only his/her Arts), but more AFK in a week, or day is not...
what i have in mind:
one AFK counter, which increases 1 with every AFK and decreases by 1 say 7 days without going AFK... and the counter would give penalties everytime (s)he goes AFK... the penalty would be more harsh for higher counters...
Example (this can be changed):
counter -> penalty
1 -> -2 luck
2 -> 300 gold to each player
3 -> 600 gold to each player
4 -> 1000 gold to each player, ban from battles for 12 hours (LG rule, comes in handy this time:D)
5 -> 2000 gold to each player, ban from battles for 24 hours
6 -> 4000 gold to each player, ban from battles for 36 hours
7 -> ban from game | | 7 -> ban from game there'd be a lot of people going if it takes 7 days to decrease by 1 | | thx:) | Blood_Moon: good to see that you noticed that I did not argue for AFK-ers should pay. Oh wait... you did not notice that.
I return the "you are egocentric" argument with full velocity. You claim I just want to play and not play with AFKers. I claim I don't want to play with AFKers and I don't care if they have a bad connection. Let them play a single-player game where they don't drag down others with them. It is simple courtesy. If you know you are very likely to disconnect or be otherwise disenabled, you don't participate in actions where you "damage" others with you. Or you are simply egoistic. This is not limited to the internet or whatever.
So, turn it around: I call YOU egoistic (and yeah, you should not do pvp if you know you have a high chance to simply go "poof!" - play something not affecting others) for YOU want to play knowing full well and admitting that YOU will ruin OTHERS' playing experience/fun. There you go. Same argument and now you are the baddie. I re-state: I do not particularly care for any reason or crying "poor me has bad connection but wants to play, too". Additionally, I doubt that the majority really has this problem - a good number of people likely only claim so. No difference anyway. I get annoyed by both equally. And you call unfair if I don't want that? Tshk!
Fines would be fine in my book BUT would need to be checked somehow. AFK-counter somehow? Get frequent AFKs and after a certain number of regular AFKs get fines. Even if it is your connection - obviously you are not properly set up to playing this game then. Go look for something else. (Harsh? Maybe, but honest as well.) | | +1. Frankly, VERY few people have connections poor enough that they accidently drop | I totally agree with a counter. While i do have the full intentions of playing a full combat, sometimes it wont happen. To this day my internet has failed 3 times where i couldn't come back on. But they were spaced out. Saying that u afk and u pay eveytime is crazy (kind of like arts, ppl wine about that, yes i do too =)
You claim I just want to play and "NOT PLAY WITH AFKers". I claim I "DON'T WANT TO PLAY WITH AFKers" and I don't care if they have a bad connection
No intentions in starting a quarrel, but ^^ looks like i did point u out. I see no difference in what i stated and u just did. CAPS added for emphasis.
FYI "egoistic" is not a word it is egocentric, here is the meaning - thinking or acting with one's self as the major concern. Look at ur 1st statement it is all I, look at mine i talk about the unintentioned afkers. SOZ for ur confusion | I have no problem shifting in a protective we as in we who like to play group battles and dislike AFKers. But nobody elected me as a spokesperson. Were you elected to speak for all AFKers? I don't think so. So I am simply more honest than you in not hiding behind pretended multitudes.
The word "egoistic" exists very much, by the way, in the more or less the same meaning. Look it up in a good dictionary. Best, do so before you claim it does not exist. | I believe there should be some sort of penalty for AFK's, whether or not it's Internet Connection related. Up until about 5 months ago, I played this game with a dial up connection and still never went AFK.
I believe the vast majority of AFK's are either being thoughtless or vindictive. I'd say the first one or two AFK infractions in a week should just have a small penalty, say like the -2 Luck or 100 gold to each player.
After that, if a player continues to go AFK, he or she should be penalized more stringently. All players should be responsible for their actions, including joining Group Battles with a knowingly bad or unreliable connection. | 7 -> ban from game
maybe it can be in time..
example
ban from game for 24 hours.. | It's not about my interest, it's about money.
I do not believe that this is the case in the VAST majority of cases. And even if it was, to answer, I would not care.
(whether accidental or purposefully... i do not care, both causes ruined GB for the team with the afker).
Cant you guys hear yourselves out? You've turned it into something which revolves around personal interest. Honestly, those who support this suggestion is just plain self centered, selfish, and looking for a quick buck on players who just wanna have fun, and unfortunately had their fun cut short due to technicalities. No offense, but your comments deserve an eye opener both to you personally, and others reading.
If its the fact of one having a problem with connections, it isnt you to decide what can he do, can you? Yes, courtesy and logical thinking is definitely proper, but the games revolves not around gold.
I do agree that at lower levels there are those who are cheats who leave games when the are losing, but these are also the kind of people who have multiple transfers, multis of high magnitudes and so-called "family" sending them gifts every now and then. The point is, these kind of people can be dealt with, but putting a blanket punishment is not the way.
Please, show more tolerance and be more matured. It is, after all, a game.
And this is coming from a 17-year-old. Wake up adults. | | -1 | I am glad many people agree with my suggestion that afk should pay. Whatever the reason for being afk is, player should be responsible for ruining the battle.
Different opinions were said about the possible punishment. The counter is a very good idea. I still think that afk should pay at least for wasted artefacts = artefacts that didn't earn experience. That means in a duel, he should pay to his opponent at least the prize of one use of artefact set which his opponent used, in a group battle he should pay to his teammates the prize of artefact set his teammates used. If it happens for the first time, just this, for next times more and more, plus, in a group battle, payment to his opponents too, for wasted time.
The conversation in GB could go like this then:
A: Afk :-(
B: Damn it!
C: Again!
A: I see he's got 2 points in afk counter, at least we get some good money. | for arcanyx:
Honestly, those who support this suggestion is just plain self centered, selfish
What is selfish on the fact, that e.g. in a duel with afk I loose like 1500 gold for nothing(no earned exp) and want to get them back? Additionally I lose time I wanted to have some fun in. Instead I just got waiting.
buck on players who just wanna have fun, and unfortunately had their fun cut short due to technicalities
I wanna have fun too. If I don't leave the keyboard and have no problem with connection, am I somehow worse then akf? Who is responsible for my and his loss? Or don't you care about gold?
Please, show more tolerance and be more matured. It is, after all, a game.
And this is coming from a 17-year-old. Wake up adults.
We are sufficiently awake. Your post is full of naivity and lack of life experience. | Excuse me if suddenly I'M the one who sound inappropriate, but somehow you miss my point. Maybe that is why you see my post as being naive.
Or don't you care about gold?
Now this is what I've been waiting to hear. Does a GB yield gold? Does even a duel yield gold? The direct answer is no. So why have the fuss of getting gold from an AFK-er?
If one says that EXP/FSP is lost this way, why not make your own battles with people you know that does not have the tendency to leave? Have you thought of why these people are AFK? There seem to be a deep and heavy support for the fact that people either AFK due to connection, or because they just feel like it. So it comes back to this: why get gold involved in something which already has no monetary value?
As I said, I do agree that AFKs on purpose deserve punishment, but not by this idea. Lack of proper internet connection may not be a problem for you, but what about people around the world who dont have what you have? Seems to me, that implementing this suggestion will only punish those who are just trying to have their share of fun. Are we the rightful judges who will take it away from them, or are we just like them: having fun on an online game?
Tolerance, mate. That is all I want to point out. | My some people seem to really have some anger about themselves. A fiar bit of back biting here. I disagree with the sentiment that we need to be overly cautious with those people who have bad internet connection, this in my opinion is not the crux of the issue. The main problem is judging whether the severity of AFK as a crime. If there is a crime in real life,it depends on the severity of the crime as to whether it matters so much whether you meant it or not.
If you drove dangerously and killed someone by accident, it would not matter since it is a serious crime. As a comparabke, by this scale if we judged AFK as a serious offence, it would not matter the why. If however you were speeding slightly because you were in an unfamiliar area and there was poor signage, it is likely there would be nothing made of it.
I would imagine that the reason for the conflict is that while people are in no debate about the fact that AFK is bad, they differ in their perception in its severity - most likely due to personal circumstance as to how much it affects their playing - some it will affect more than others due to time in duels/GB's or ratio of fights to labouring.
In conclusion, we will argue, but to no significant avail as ultimately we are in a dictatorship with regard to what gets implemented or not, rather than a democracy. Granted a nice friendlt dictatorship, who asks for opinions and sometimes uses them and sometimes not, but a dictatorship nonetheless. | for arcanyx:
Now this is what I've been waiting to hear. Does a GB yield gold? Does even a duel yield gold? The direct answer is no. So why have the fuss of getting gold from an AFK-er?
It doesn't yield gold, it spends it (artefacts worn). I spend gold for an opportunity to have fun in GB and to get experience. Afk ruins this opportunity, makes my spend unreasonable. Isn't it clear enough? |
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