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| I have just realised taht maybe sven switched message to hide unreasonable content. If that was the case I apologise
Please also see this thread for context
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1877756 | I have just realised taht maybe sven switched message to hide unreasonable content.
Yes, that was the case. Both of them kept provoking. And since we cannot delete a part of a post I had to delete the entire post. | | Ok, sorry for doubting Sven - saw post with mod writing the same thing they had and thought baiting and abusing power. Clearly I should have thought this through and trusted more. I once again apologise. | | I don't think either have the morale highground, why would mods have the morale highground for doing their "job", and as for the handful of members being banned, and then questioning it in public, that is against the rules also, so no morale highground for them, the appropriate channel for questioning moderator actions is highlighted in the game rules, which you have to agree to adhere by upon sign up anyway | My post for which I got a 3 day ban this morning was not abusive or insulting in anyway. In fact I have NEVER insulted anyone in the forums and do not plan to do so in the future.
Neither was it illegal in any manner and my ban has now been removed. I had been discussing this situation with Arctic prior to my ban this morning via Skype chat and will continue to do so.
I have also asked my clan mates to refrain from any accusations or flaming in the forums though I do appreciate the strength of their feelings over these actions and their actions to make others aware of what was happening. However lowering themselves to the levels of some others is not helpful.
Moderators are here to help the forums run smoothly and stop inappropriate posts and/or bullying and MOST of them take this role very seriously and do a great job. Their job is not to stop free speech though and open and reasonable discussions so I hope your thread gets the chance to do just this MilesTeg. | | i admit the last line from my post was below belt i think that is why sven deleted it | From the looks of it the right recompense has been made. We all make mistakes. I think the conclusion that teh ban was for arrows is misleading, I think it was probably from a perceived mischievous in usage of arrows, rather than specifically in the arrows themselves. As a teacher, I am acutely aware that unfairness in a system, is often felt due to the wrong reason being attributed to a perceived misdoing.
As ban was removed, itseems to me to indicate judgement by moderators that perhaps penalty was steep, probably from re-assessment that arrows was not intended as deliberate baiting of mods.
If this is the case and the reasoning I have given is accurate, then coupled with apologies from Edwin I guess things are more equal and issue resolved ish.
Just a shame that there is such ill feeling at times. | issue resolved ish
more ish than resolved
In fact I have NEVER insulted anyone in the forums and do not plan to do so in the future
which cannot be said about me :D
i insulted many players, calling them rats. oh, they deserve far worse than being called rats and cheaters, but to tell you the truth, i was expecting to get at least one ban for all that. and i got only one for violating some rule on clans' forum section.
mods did spare me, because imo, they liked the fact that someone is saying what they couldn't allow themselves to say. kinda cowardly, but i can't complain
however, i wonder, why serious insulting (from my side) wasn't punished, while some arrows???? are.
i mean, arrows..
what's the big problem with arrows anyway?
Ok, sorry for doubting Sven
hmm, i have some serious doubts when it comes to Sven the mod.
i have nothing against you as a player Sven, but how did you become a mod in the first place.. i've seen you seriously insulting a player that helped you in hunt just because she wasn't very good, had wiz faction level too low.. it's not rare to see that reaction, but i can't see how someone that insults people (like me or you) could even become a mod. there should be some rule that forbids it.
proof:
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?warid=473873087<=-1
https://www.lordswm.com/battlechat.php?warid=5873087
my point is that mods on this server not only deserve that their actions should be discussed and criticized, most of them deserve to be sacked straight away. but, there's no Arctic, so here are again :)
what? mods make mistakes just like all people do. well, people get sacked | | well i didn't insulted him directly it was like this ........ fill in the dots your self :P | | Would be good to stick to the original point.
However, what I wanted this to do was to bring peoples feeling into the light and discuss things in a reasonable manner. I suppose this is what it is achieving.
Withi mean, arrows..
what's the big problem with arrows anyway?
As I stated previously, I think the ban for the arrows is a mis-interpretation. I think it is more likely that they were given due to the previous post of DeathisNear, which could be interpreeted as baiting the issue of arrows.
Most of mods actions and ill feeling towards them is often from miscommunication and difference in opinion over matters that are fairly grey. For example, your conclusions about being spared and unfair treatment is only valid if the assumption is correct that they did spare you, rather them assessing that you didn't actually break rules. Without direct communication, we cannot draw accurate conclusions.
what? mods make mistakes just like all people do. well, people get sacked
It depends on the ratio of mistakes and severity versus good work. As well as how the mistakes are dealt with.
People are seldom sacked for one mistake, that is not major, and is also undone in action after re-assessment.
If there are other issues, then I show my ignorance as I am unaware of them. | | my post seems like a reaction to Death is Near, rather it was to Korzika, sorry if any confusion in there | #12
i guess i did break some rules :D
and as i said
because imo, they liked the fact that someone is saying what they couldn't allow themselves to say
"imo" stands for "in my opinion", maybe i am wrong.
apology: i said i got only one ban.. i got 1 more for attacking a certain player on forum. just remembered now.
anyway, if calling people rats is not breaking the rules, while arrows and whatever is behind them are, something is seriously wrong with the rules.
the worst thing is that mods' actions should not be discussed on forum.
*pukes
everything should be discussed on forum | #13 - Thank you for that. Back to the original purpose of this thread.
My feelings are that we need some current MODs to be removed from their posts and new blood be brought in which is more representative of the community.
The MODs remit needs to be explained more. As far as I am aware their purpose is:
To keep the forums clean and functioning by removing abusive, bullying, incorrect, harmful or ones which breach the local or general forum rules.
Their purpose is not to:
Remove posts from users trying to discuss things in a clear, non-hostile or constructive manner. Powers should not be used to try and hide mistakes by MODs or to cover up problems created by themselves.
While there IS a allowance for the creation of new rules if these are really needed. These should be posted in a clear and concise manner so everyone is aware of them either as general forum rules or specific local ones.
My respect goes to MODs like Zyanya and Pantheon who handle things in a mature and constructive manner and do not delete content unless it is necessary.
Most importantly, rules need to be applied equally to everyone involved. | I echo some of the sentiments of DeathisNear.
I find it hard to judge the implication that mods are stopping us from discussing their actions. Is this not what we are doing? without intervention?
As for Mods to representative of the community - do you mean in terms of level, or of clan. Technically, if MODS always acted in a clear and transparent way, without mistakes, then it wouldn't matter whether they were representative of the community or not. They would just be consistent. However, in a practical way, people will feel less hard done by, if it is a more representative group.
I think for MODS, the level of communication is difficult, in terms of taking action, while spending time to make things clear. When obviously they are all gamers and primarily come here to enjoy themselves. That being said, if they haven't got the time to do the job properly, more mods should be recruited, so that it is not so burdonsome that it is regulated without loss of clarity.
On another not. I can only assume that the general feeling is not so bad. If this is used as a rough barometer of public opinion, there have been comments from very few people.
Therefore I encourage people to judge their opinion, if only briefly so we have a more representative view of peoples opinions | I think the reason this thread has not been removed already is that the MODs are aware that Arctic will read it and copies of all posts are being taken by me to show him so it does not matter if they are now removed or not.
I also have received a number of mails from people regarding this who are scared to post their feelings here for fear of future action being taken against them.
Hopefully Arctic will post here himself when he comes back online and give his assurance that this wont happen then maybe others will be more willing to voice their feelings. | | Please.
Long ago - before even DEATHisNEAR or anyone could notice - people were getting banned for using flood, hard to read messages, and improper titles. This is as old as the forum.
Among other things, some started using what I'd call "excessive highlight" in their Gratitude and Congratulations threads. As any arms race it bent to the ridicule, and started affecting the display of the forum page. I started giving away warnings to stop the trend.
Some people noticed, and few started making fun of the length of the arrow that would cause a ban. Then they started playing games themselves, trying to see how far they could go, if they could use different characters in their "arrows" etc.
This is child's play. But if people are out to play games with mods and taunt them, I'm certainly ready to give them their money's worth. That's why DEATHisNEAR got a ban here:
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1877963
I admit, it may have appeared obtuse to someone not aware of these petty games. Now everyone is. And should someone ask if I was heavy-handed or something - the ban history of each and every player is accessible to mods and the relapse of DEATHisNEAR (along with a consequential amount of private message) is blatant.
And all claims of holy crusade, playing the martyr or asking who has any moral high ground is just ludicrous. Just keep Arctic in copy of each and every message, I'm soooo frightened! It's certainly on top of his priority list...
Now, please write your thread titles sensibly. Thanks for your time. | for Erekose:
Kotrin obviously lost his temper
I doubt anyone can make me lose my temper in a flash-based web game... :) |
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